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  • #31
    Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

    Larry is on point in his discussion about US not wanting to look like THEM, so we follow the rules that we have set for ourselves, although there may be history that runs counter to these beliefs. I have pondered this over the years and have often thought that we've come up with our own set of reenactorisms to off set what we perceive to be mainstream reenactorisms.

    On another point, for many years I have studied the inspection reports of Wheeler's cavalry during the Atlanta campaign. Consistently, the reports rarely list any blankets. I've often wondered of that meant that there were few blankets of any kind in the command, whether the IRs differentiated between sleeping blankets and saddle blankets, or, begging the obvious, what did they use, if anything, for saddle blankets?

    Having recently re-read David Evans' excellent researched and written "Sherman's Horsemen," I noted that in most every report of the three major cavalry raids by Union troopers around the Atlanta Campaign, each raiding party had pack mules (at the minimum) and wagons / trains (usually) as part of the entourage. Of course, pack mules and a wagon or two allow for less gear and weight on the horse. That's something that we've never really done (at least to my knowledge) - pack mules or a wagon as part of the column.

    We all consider the wearing of Federal trousers as the ultimate farb-out, yet there are numerous reports of CS western theater cavalry doing so (Wheeler's command was reported in Federal ORs as wearing complete Federal uniforms in the winter of '63 - '64 as the picketed Northern Alabama, North Georgia, Southeastern Tennessee; Shannon's Scouts in the summer of '64).

    Have we let US vs. THEM override the historical record? Maybe, collectively, we devote this winter towards re-examining some of the tenants that we've developed over the years?

    Just a thought...
    Mike Ventura
    Shannon's Scouts

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    • #32
      Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

      Gents (and I use the term loosely!)

      I think both Larry and Mike have both said some things that I have thought for a while. Ultimately we create our own reenactorisms by trying to avoid those of the mainstreamers. I haven't made a scientific study of it, but a casual examination of eastern Federals will reveal at least a quarter of the guys wearing at least some hat brass, yet hat brass is verboten in our side of the hobby.

      It is a difficult thing to balance, because as was said, we don't want to open the door to some things by sensible people that allows rediculous things in with others (Josey Wales etc). With that in mind though, at least in the 1st Maine we rarely see any cavalry that doesn't belong on our side of the hobby. So, if we wear or do things that are historically accurate then all we are doing is educating ourselves and others rather than encouraging farbs since we never run in to farbs.

      Ultimately we all should be striving to produce the most accurate depiction of cavalry possible. That of course includes statistical balance (if there was 1 spotted horse in 10,000 then we shouldn't have one) but we ought not create or further our own reenactorisms in order to modulate the behavior of the farbs.

      Take care,
      Tom Craig
      1st Maine Cavalry
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      • #33
        Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

        Greetings:

        The Charles City Court House photo was discussed on this site a year or so ago; I haven't tracked down the thread yet. An associated view shows ammo wagons of McIntosh's 1st Brigade of the 3rd Division, suggesting that these are wagon guards from that brigade, taken probably on June 14, 1864.

        As Tom remarks, there is an O'Sullivan photo of Sheridan's headquarters at Old Church on June 4, which shows a stern view of quite a few horses tied up. At least one has a sabre hanging in the same location.

        Regarding such things as slouch hats and brass in the federal ranks, it's largely a matter of time and place. For example, in the fall of 1864 facing Petersburg, the 2nd Cavalry Division was ordered to spruce up, putting the lace back on their mounted service jackets (which Sheridan had legislated against, preferring sack coats, when he took over the Cavalry Corps in the spring). They were also ordered to put the brass on their forage caps (which were required for inspection and parade, even if slouch hats were otherwise worn), and to polish their brass (including spurs), black their leathers, and strap their pants under their boots (who makes federal instep straps?).

        Some federal units, such as the 1st Maine and 1st Mass., have well-illustrated regimental histories that document common uniform and hat styles and some pretty surprising choices of brass (the 1st Mass. even had to prohibit the wearing of officer's brass by enlisted men). True, some of these are studio shots, but especially the Maine regimental has numerous hard images and mounted outdoor views taken in the field.

        The point is, things changed during the war, and not always in the direction we might expect, so we need to adapt our impressions based on as much in-depth research as we can amass. Our 1864 look should differ from our 1862 one, and, as Mark suggests, a mid-campaign impression differs from a fresh-from- winter-camp one.

        Andrew German
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        • #34
          Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

          Gents,

          Some very good and relevant points about "reenactorisms" made here. Speaking of which and....ANV cavalry at the same time,....this hat was on display (and for sale) at the Nashville CW Show. It is being offered by Shannon Pritchard of Old South Antiques.

          Here is the info on the hat from Old South's web site......"This incredible slouch hat is made of a very thin wool felt, composed of black, blue and buff fibers, forming an overall "butternut" color. The hat is of the beehive style, with a tall crown 5” high, and a brim approximately 3 1/4" wide (the exact point of demarcation between crown and brim is open to some interpretation). On the edge of the brim is a line of stitch marks indicating that there was at one time some sort of edging, or at least a stitched edge. The sweatband is missing and only a ghost remains to estimate its width. Around the crown is a cord made of copper bands wrapped around a cotton cord. These very thin bands of copper give a stiffness that feels like horsehair. The cord is knotted at the back and the ends are made into tassels.

          Sewn to the front is a brass cross saber Cavalry insignia, 2 3/8" wide at the top, 1 3/4" high and 3 3/4" wide at the bottom. The length of the blades extends past the line of the hilts. I find it very interesting that the sabers are sewn on the hat upside down from the norm. According to William Turner, (author of Even More Confederate Faces) who owned this hat for some years, the insignia was identified by William McGuinn as having been made by either S.A. Myers or E.M. Lewis of Richmond.

          This is a classic example of a Confederate made hat. The thin felt, the mixture of fibers, and the overall shape are consistent with Confederate practice, and are a classic Confederate design. Looking through the photographs in the Virginia Regimental Series it is apparent that they were very popular with the Virginia Cavalrymen. The original E.M. Lewis or S.A. Myers cross sabers are a very important part of the hat. It is extremely rare to find a Confederate slouch hat with its original insignia, much less, Confederate made insignia. The copper wrapped band is an interesting and original part as well. There was some moth-holing in the crown and it has had some professional restoration to repair any significant holes.

          According to William Turner this hat was purchased by John Dugan, a Richmond area dealer now deceased, from a family living in Chesterfield County, Virginia many years ago. It is believed that the original owner was named Adams and that he was in the 3rd Virginia Cavalry. Unfortunately there are ten Adams’ on the 3rd Virginia’s roster. A couple could be ruled out as possibilities, but it is impossible to be sure which of these men wore the hat."

          Photo courtesy Shannon Pritchard of Old South Antiques.


          QUESTION: While not arguing the veracity of the hat....if one of our own "authentic’s" showed up at an event wearing this....how many of you would give him a frowned look while making a mental note to later suggest he look for another hat?


          Ken R Knopp

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          • #35
            Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

            Ken-

            Great point. One of the issues that we have is that we have come to rely on just a few vendors as purveyors of "authentic" gear. If there are 500 participants at an EBUFU event, and 300 are wearing Tim Bender hats, could that be construed as a re-enactorism?

            Or, how accurate is it that a Federal company of 30 are wearing fatigue blouses made by 10-12 different vendors? It seems more accurate that all members of a company would draw their clothing from the same source.

            The longer that I do this, the more convinced I am that, as far as western CS cavalry is concerned, civilian clothing is very greatly under represented.
            Mike Ventura
            Shannon's Scouts

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