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  • 1835 Springfield Carbine Conversion

    A while back, I picked up a funny looking .69 musket with the "drum and nipple" or "French" percussion conversion. The barrel has been cut to 28" and the stock has been tapered and only extends 3" past the first barrel band, and a metal loop to hold the ramrod (not present) has been braised on to the bottom of the barrel; these modifications appear to be very old. My recent research indicates that this musket was probably an 1835 Springfield-type musket, although the lock plate is only marked "warranted" without any furthe cartouches or marking that I can find.

    I am wondering whether any such conversions were ever used by Confederate cavalry or artillery, as I cannot find any references to this type of use, although the 1835-1840 pattern muskets were used throughout the South during the war. The reason I am asking is that I am trying to find an historical basis to possibly use this musket in connection with a Western theater confederate cavalry impression.

    Has anyone any information as to whether this may be an appropriate arm to use for that purpose?

    Also, regardless of the answer, I need to find replacement lock plate springs, as mine are missing. Any suggestions there as well?

    Thanks and regards,
    [B][COLOR="DimGray"][SIZE="4"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Ernie Martinez[/FONT]
    [SIZE="3"][FONT="Trebuchet MS"]Private
    7th Tennessee Cavalry (CSA), Company D[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

    [FONT="Century Gothic"][COLOR="DimGray"]"Men, you may all do as you damn please, but I'm a-going home..." - Nathan Bedford Forrest[/COLOR][/FONT]

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    Re: 1835 Springfield Carbine Conversion

    The answer is "yep", sawn-off .69s were altered, especially at Richmond, for calvary use. See the tome "C.S. Armory Richmond" by Davies. I've never seen a drum-and-nipple so converted, though. The cobbling you describe is almost certainly for civilians by civilians. A tad of work could bring the piece into a semblance of military configuration, IF it is military to start with. "Warranted" sure sounds like a civilian lockplate. If not for the reported barrel band, one would suspect a 16 to 12 guage single barrel shotgun. Pictures would help (easy for me to say, I don't know how to post them).
    David Fox

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    • #3
      Re: 1835 Springfield Carbine Conversion

      Hallo!

      A picture is worth a thousand words, as well as ten thousand guesses.

      :)

      Curt
      Curt Schmidt
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      • #4
        Re: 1835 Springfield Carbine Conversion

        I understand and appreciate the importance of pictures...what I don't understand is how to post them!! I used to know how to do it, so let me think and try it again.
        [B][COLOR="DimGray"][SIZE="4"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Ernie Martinez[/FONT]
        [SIZE="3"][FONT="Trebuchet MS"]Private
        7th Tennessee Cavalry (CSA), Company D[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

        [FONT="Century Gothic"][COLOR="DimGray"]"Men, you may all do as you damn please, but I'm a-going home..." - Nathan Bedford Forrest[/COLOR][/FONT]

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        • #5
          Re: 1835 Springfield Carbine Conversion

          The good news...I remember how to post attachments. The bad news...I don't as yet have privileges to post attachments on the AC, but I do on CW Reenactor, which is the same format. So, once I get them up, I will let y'all know if you want to run over there and take a look...if that is consistent with the forum rules.

          Thanks for the interest and the input!
          [B][COLOR="DimGray"][SIZE="4"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Ernie Martinez[/FONT]
          [SIZE="3"][FONT="Trebuchet MS"]Private
          7th Tennessee Cavalry (CSA), Company D[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

          [FONT="Century Gothic"][COLOR="DimGray"]"Men, you may all do as you damn please, but I'm a-going home..." - Nathan Bedford Forrest[/COLOR][/FONT]

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          • #6
            Re: 1835 Springfield Carbine Conversion

            Here is the link to my album with a bunch of pix of this "carbine":

            [B][COLOR="DimGray"][SIZE="4"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Ernie Martinez[/FONT]
            [SIZE="3"][FONT="Trebuchet MS"]Private
            7th Tennessee Cavalry (CSA), Company D[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

            [FONT="Century Gothic"][COLOR="DimGray"]"Men, you may all do as you damn please, but I'm a-going home..." - Nathan Bedford Forrest[/COLOR][/FONT]

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