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    Last week I was back in Indiana and spent an afternoon with a guy named Joe Burdick, whom I have been collaborating with for several years doing research on a possible regimental history of my g-g-grandfather's unit, the 6th Indiana Cavalry (formerly the 71st Indiana Vol. Infantry). The 6th Cav was converted from the 71st Inft'y in mid 1863 after having been captured (twice) and paroled (twice) at both the Battle of Richmond, KY in August of 1862 and then by John Hunt Morgan on his Christmas Raid of 1862. This is important to this thought as this unit spent a great deal of time at Burnside Barracks in Indianapolis in 1862 and early 1863 while on parole.

    Attached is a photo of three soldiers. We're 99.9% sure that they are (L-R) John "Jack" Boon, Joe Rabb and Charles D. Smith. All three are members of Co. K, 6th Indiana Cavalry. All three were also in the 6th Cav regimental band. Jack Boon was listed on the descriptive rolls in 1863 as 31, 5’ 10”, light complexion, a former shoe maker, brown eyed, brown hair; on the right, we're 99% sure that it's Charles D. Smith, 19, 5’ 5” dark complexion, brown hair, brown eyes, clerk in civilian life, listed as musician in AG, but not on descriptive rolls. We know it's Jor Raab in the middle as the photo is in the Rabb Collection at the Indiana Historical Society. So, the ages on the 1863 descriptive rolls pretty much match the photo.

    Looking at the uniforms, particularly the shirts and hats, you think "Span Am!" At least we did - thinking that the clothing and particularly the hats are more Spanish American War than ACW. But it isn't.

    The photo is from the Joseph Rabb collection at the Indiana Historical Society and is described as a "tintype." The attached is a photo copy of the "tintype." Joe Rabb was not in the Spanish American War and neither was Charles D. Smith.

    Jack Boon and the rest of the band members begged to ride with the 6th Ind. on the abortive Stoneman's Raid to Macon, GA in August of 1864. Jack Boon was captured, sent to Andersonville, survived, and was listed as killed on the Sultana when it exploded, transporting Union prisoners home just after the war. We have a post war letter that from Charles D. Smith describing the raid and their capture and transport to Andersonville

    So there's no way that Jack Boon was in the Span Am War - and they'd all be 30 years older if this photo was circa Span Am War.

    My question: Anyone ever seen anything resembling these hats and the shirt that Jack Boon is wearing (left in the photo)? It also appears that they are all wearing relatively new knee-high provate purchase boots. We're wondering is, since they were in Indianapolis when the unit was converted to cav from inft'y, if , perhaps, there was a lot of private purchase clothing. It seems plausible that they would have access to these resources in that location. Or, maybe it had something to do with the regimental band??

    Thoughts???
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    Last edited by Mike Ventura; 08-03-2011, 10:00 PM.
    Mike Ventura
    Shannon's Scouts

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    Re: Very interesting photo

    Just seeing the image and not reading the history I would have said Span-Am too... Is the ID positive and this isn't a Jack Boon Jr and his pals from the Span-Am?
    [B][FONT="Book Antiqua"][SIZE="4"][I]Zack Ziarnek[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]
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    • #3
      Re: Very interesting photo

      There was no Jack Boon, Jr. as Jack (Sr.) died on the Sulatna and was never married nor had a family - but an interesting thought, ZZ!
      Mike Ventura
      Shannon's Scouts

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      • #4
        Re: Very interesting photo

        ZZ - I added some more info in the original from another document.
        Mike Ventura
        Shannon's Scouts

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        • #5
          Re: Very interesting photo

          Mike, my only question would be, and I'm sure I will word this incorrectly, "who did the original ID and when was the ID made?" Is there any chance at all that someone in the family, within the last 100 years, may have been the ones to do the ID and a fading memory gotten it wrong? Just thinking of the possibilities, that's all.
          Warren Dickinson


          Currently a History Hippy at South Union Shaker Village
          Member of the original Pickett's Mill Interpretive Volunteer Staff & Co. D, 17th Ky Vol. Inf
          Former Mudsill
          Co-Creator of the States Rights Guard in '92

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          • #6
            Re: Very interesting photo

            Warren - a very good question. The ID on Joseph Raab in the photo is solid. Additional Raab papers and the unpublished Charles D. Smith letter all confirm that Boon, Raab and Smith were indeed the "3 amigos," and that all we in the 6th Ind. Cav's regimental band. It's a puzzlement!!!
            Mike Ventura
            Shannon's Scouts

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            • #7
              Re: Very interesting photo

              The prop the man in the middle is sitting on looks similar to a prop in Military Images of soldiers in the late 1880-90's.
              Robert Johnson

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                Re: Very interesting photo

                Originally posted by hireddutchcutthroat View Post
                The prop the man in the middle is sitting on looks similar to a prop in Military Images of soldiers in the late 1880-90's.
                Also the uniforms in the photo appear to be 1889 campaign hats shaped into Montana peaks, one of the variations of canvas leggings, an 1883 blouse, and an 1887 blouse in the center with the cuff buttons.

                If not from the Spanish-American war then perhaps the years proceeding it?
                Nathan Bruff

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                • #9
                  Re: Very interesting photo

                  Provenance of the Joseph Rabb "3 Amigos" photo. The Photo is in the Joseph M. Rabb Papers at the Indiana Historical Society. Joseph M. Rabb became a lawyer and a famed jurist in Indiana following the war and lived until 1925. The "Rabb Papers" consist of approximately 125 letters that he sent his sister and mother between 1862-1865. Here's the link:

                  http://www.indianahistory.org/our-co...-1860-1925.pdf Although the 1990 notation in the Rabb papers states, of the "3 amigos" tintype, "one may be Rabb," further research has confirmed the identity of Rabb in the photo.

                  In 1898, the year of the Spanish American War, Joseph Rabb was a judge in Indiana and would have been 52 years old.
                  Mike Ventura
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                    Re: Very interesting photo

                    Searching for Joseph Rabb I found the following:


                    June 11, 1872, the Judge married Miss Lottie Morris, who died May 1882, leaving three children: Clara, now Mrs. Guy C. winks; George M., who inherited his father's patriotism and volunteered in the Spanish-American War, becoming a member of the First Illinois Infantry, which saw service in the trenches at Santiago, Cuba; and Fred C., who is at home.
                    I believe there is a very strong possibility that the photo is actually of his son George, mentioned above.
                    Nathan Bruff

                    [email]Nbruff@gmail.com[/email]

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                    • #11
                      Re: Very interesting photo

                      I'm pretty certain this is the Span Am era here. The hats, the tighter 5 button blouses, what appear to be leggings, and the trousers are all indicators.
                      Ross L. Lamoreaux
                      rlamoreaux@tampabayhistorycenter.org


                      "...and if profanity was included in the course of study at West Point, I am sure that the Army of the Cumberland had their share of the prize scholars in this branch." - B.F. Scribner, 38th Indiana Vol Inf

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                      • #12
                        Re: Very interesting photo

                        Originally posted by Skutatos View Post
                        Searching for Joseph Rabb I found the following:




                        I believe there is a very strong possibility that the photo is actually of his son George, mentioned above.
                        That's what I'm thinking too.
                        Warren Dickinson


                        Currently a History Hippy at South Union Shaker Village
                        Member of the original Pickett's Mill Interpretive Volunteer Staff & Co. D, 17th Ky Vol. Inf
                        Former Mudsill
                        Co-Creator of the States Rights Guard in '92

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                        • #13
                          Re: Very interesting photo

                          Mike,
                          Also, if you look at both men described in your original post, it said that Boon was 5'10 and Smith was 5'5. If you look at the two standing, there is no way Boon looks 5' taller than Smith. Maybe an inch or two at most. Now Mr. Rabb in the middle is considerably taller than the two standing. Look at where his knees line up with the other two. Just my keen police mind making an observation.
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                            Thanks, guys. I also found the reference to a son in the Span Am War - but his name was mis-spelled on the roster of the Span-Am 1st Illinois, "Robb" - "not "Rabb" which had thrown off the previous researchers. Also, Joseph Rabb (The CW vet) had signed the back of the photo, leading the original researchers to believe that he must be in it. Also, several refernces to his two pards, Boon and Smith caused the dots to be copnnected in that manner. You guys have helped a lot!! "Fresh eyes" always see something differently. Now thinking that this has been mis-identified for some time and was somehow put in the Rabb CW era papers by the family and this led some folks down the wrong trail!! You guys helped a lot!!! We're now looking at photos of the Span-Am 1st Illinois and may have found George Rabb (listed as George Robb).
                            Mike Ventura
                            Shannon's Scouts

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                            • #15
                              Re: Very interesting photo

                              Mike, the Tampa Bay History Center where I work has an incredible photo book of the 1st Illinois published right after the Span Am War. I'll dig into it when I go back to work tomorrow and send you what I find out.
                              Ross L. Lamoreaux
                              rlamoreaux@tampabayhistorycenter.org


                              "...and if profanity was included in the course of study at West Point, I am sure that the Army of the Cumberland had their share of the prize scholars in this branch." - B.F. Scribner, 38th Indiana Vol Inf

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