Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

[Mississippian]

Another interesting regiment, this time made up of 4 Mississippi and 6 Alabama companies that were brought together to for a regiment in the summer of 1862. The 4 Mississippi companies and some of the Alabama companies had seen a good bit of service in late 1861 and during the Shiloh campaign. A few interesting things, such as the issue of Saber knots and colts revolving carbines in 1864....

CSR of Lt. Col. Charles Baskerville

Nov 26th 1861 (at Iuka MS for Baskerville's MS Cavalry Battalion)

150 Canteens
150 Canteen Straps

Mar 26th 1862 (for Baskerville's MS Cavalry Battalion)

2400 Carbine or Musket Caps
6000 Gun Caps
80 Cap Boxes
300 Carbine Boots
100 pr Saddle Bags
100 Cavalry Valises

May 1862 (for Baskerville's MS Cavalry Battalion)

2000 Miss. Rifle Cartridges cal .54

May 27th 1862

1 Keg Rifle Powder (25 lbs)
40,000 Shot Gun Caps
100 lbs Buck Shot
200 lbs Lead

July 2nd 1862 (at Columbus MS for Baskerville's MS Cavalry Battalion)

100 Gun Slings
200 Gun Boots
100 Saber Belts
200 Saber Knots

CSR of Maj J.T. Wright 8th C.S. Cavalry

Feb 7th 1864

36 Navy Pistols
75 Cartridge Boxes
75 Cap Pouches
125 Gun Slings
85 Haversacks
1200 Musket Caps
2200 Pistol Caps
2000 Cartridges cal .57
4800 Cartridges cal .54
300 Cartridges cal .52
432 Army Pistol Cartridges
200 Navy Pistol Cartridges
56 Saddles
66 Bridles
48 Halters

March 4th 1864

7 Austrian Rifles
4 Colts Revolving Rifles
125 Navy Pistols
4 Sabers
4 Cartridge Boxes
4 Cartridge Box Belts
120 Cap Pouches
117 Saber Belts, Plates, and Knots
11 Gun Slings
83 Holsters
5525 Pistol Caps
150 Cartridges cal .52
1102 Army Pistol Cartridges
2102 Navy Pistol Cartridges
100 Saddle Bags
5 Bridles
54 Halters
97 Curry Combs

Ordnance turned over on March 4th 1864

3 Enfield Rifles cal .57
64 Austrian Rifles cal .54 (unserviceable)
15 Austrian Rifles cal .54 (unserviceable)
2 Mississippi Rifles cal .54 (unserviceable)
1 Sharps Rifle
30 Cartridge Boxes
30 Cartridge Box Belts
30 Cap Pouches
1140 Musket Caps
100 Pistol Caps
530 Cartridges cal .57
1945 Cartridges cal .54
690 Cartridges cal .52
20 Army Pistol Cartridges
1 Saddle Valise
5 Saddle Bags


Stores lost in Skirmish near Dalton Georiga March 5th 1864

1 Carbine cal .52
3 Navy Pistols
3 Sabers
3 Saber Belts and Knots
3 Cartridge Boxes
3 Cartridge Box Belts
3 Cap Boxes
1 Gun Sling
3 Pistol Holsters
200 Musket Caps
50 Pistol Caps
100 Cartridges cal .57
128 Cartridges cal .54
40 Cartridges cal .52
10 Army Pistol Cartridges
230 Navy Pistol Cartridges
3 Saddles
3 Saddle Bags
3 Bridles
3 Halters
1 pr Spurs and Straps
6 Curry Combs

Will post more when I get a chance.

Will MacDonald

[rbruno]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

The gun boot thing keeps coming up. I wonder what that looked liked and how it was used. Has anyone seen a reference in a manual or school of trooper for the use of the gun boot during this period?

[Forrestcavalryman]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

Could it be the carbine bucket? Like what the Dragoons used?

[rbruno]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

It could be, but I haven't read about its use during the CW or in a manual written during the war. Unless I have completly missed it.

[Mississippian]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

The gun boots seem to be VERY common, and it seems like the Ordnance people in Memphis (and later Columbus MS) were making versions for both Carbines and double barreled shotguns.

I seem to have read somewhere that the gun boot was discontinued in the late 1850's for regulars, but I guess the Confederates liked the idea of it.

Will MacDonald

[Forrestcavalryman]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

Anyone have an idea what these gun boots looked like?

[Mississippian]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

I know you guys love anything having to do with horse descriptions.....

CSR of Capt. T. Lindsey, Co. "I" 8th C.S. Cavalry

Horses Received at Lacy Springs Alabama, August 27th 1863

1 Young Iron Gray Horse @ $300
1 Bay Mare @ $375
1 Small Bay Horse @ $325
1 Small Sorrel Horse @ $325
1 Large Sorrel Mare @ $350

Horses Received at Gordonsville(?) GA, Sept. 16th 1863

1 Sorrel Horse with star in the face @ $525
1 Black Horse, rather slim @ $500
1 Sorrel Horse, with small star in the face @ $400
1 Small Bay Horse @ $400

CSR of Capt. J. Mathews, Co. "H", 8th C.S. Cavalry

List of value of Animals captured at Chickamauga:

1 Bay Horse @ $75
1 Bay Horse @ $250
1 Sorrel Mule @ $100
1 Brown Mule @ $400
1 Mouse Mule @ $75
1 Black Mule @ $50
1 Bay Mule @ $50
1 Bay Mule @ $40
1 Black Mule @ $40
1 Brown Mule @ $50
1 Grey Horse @ $250
1 Black Horse @ $200
1 Sorrel Mare @ $50

CSR of Capt. G. Miller Co. "A" 8th C.S. Cavalry

Horses Received August 15th 1863 at Hatchers Ferry ALA

1 Black Mare @ $350
1 Grey Horse @ $200

Will MacDonald

[Ken Knopp]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

I note the disparity in price between the horses "received" and those "captured". I wonder why? Was it simply the value assessed regarding the "quality" (i.e. age, confirmation, soundness, etc.) of the horse flesh or perhaps more related to their post-battle condition? No way to know I suppose. I would suggest the disparity in price placed upon the mules received was most likely quality, age and or size related. This is interesting information! Thanks Will!

PS: For those with an interest in "real-time" CS literary works, I note an excellent book about Wade's 8th Confederate Cavalry. It comprises a well edited effort taken from the letters of George Knox Miller. A considerable amount of very fine information about life in the field that can provide a great many details about Confederate cavalry "on the line". I highly recommend it.

Ken R Knopp

https://www.confederatesaddles.com

[Mark Choate]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

Gee Will...........

Where are the App's, Paints, Palomino's and spotted saddle-horses??????

I know, I know.........just couldn't resist. :wink_smil

Thanks for the good info, as always.

Mark

[brown]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

The difference between musket and revolver caps (& even shotgun caps) makes total sense. What is the entry for "gun caps" right after "carbine or musket caps?"


Mar 26th 1862 (for Baskerville's MS Cavalry Battalion)

2400 Carbine or Musket Caps
6000 Gun Caps

[Mark Choate]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

Ken,

You and I must have been replying at almost the same moment as I did not see yours until I was finished, but the disparity you speak of is noteworthy. Heaven knows what kind of shape those $50 animals were in at time of capture. Conversely, can you imagine how fine that $400 Mule must have been?

Mark

[Mississippian]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

Now here is an interesting one, it appears as if these were horses rounded up in the local area to be used as replacement horses....

CSR of Capt. Robert Moore 8th C.S. Cavalry

Horses turned over to Brigade QM at Whitesburg Ala, August 28th 1863.

1 Roan Mare, 16 1/2 hands high 4 yrs old @ $450
1 Large Bay Mare, @ $375
1 Small Bay Mare, @ $300
1 Small Bay Mare, 4 yrs old @ $400
1 Sorrel Horse, @ $325
1 Large Bay Horse @ $300
1 Large Grey Mare, one eyed, @ $325
1 Large Bay Mare @ $275
1 Medium Sorrel Horse, one eyed @ $250
1 Large Bay Mare @ $450
1 Cream Mare @ $350
1 Large Bay Mare @ $375
1 Small Bay Mare @ $325
1 Small Brown Horse @ $200
1 Large Bay Mare @ $275
1 Large Roan Horse @ $375
1 Medium Cream Horse @ $250
1 Large Grey Mare @ $400
1 Small Sorrel Horse @ $275
1 Large Bay Stallion @ $300
1 Small Bay Horse @ $250
1 Small Cream Mare @ $375
1 Large Black Mare @ $275
1 Small Bay Stallion @ $325
1 Large Bay Horse @ $300
1 Small Sorrel Horse @ $300
1 Large Grey Mare @ $250
1 Black Horse @ $300
1 Small Grey Horse @ $300
1 Young Iron Grey Horse @ $300
1 Bay Mare @ $375
1 Small Bay Horse @ $325
1 Small Sorrel Horse @ $325
1 Large Sorrel Mare @ $350
1 Small Bay Horse @ $300

Judging by this next QM form it seems these horses were simply reissued to the men the next day....

Horse Received August 29th 1863

1 Large Grey Mare, one eyed @ $325
1 Large Bay Mare, one eyed @ $275
1 Medium Sorrel Horse, one eyed @ $250
1 Large Bay Mare @ $450
1 Cream Mare @ $350

Will MacDonald

[Ken Knopp]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

Whoops!! I hate to point it out but I note two "Stallions"! Now, dont anyone get any bright ideas!

I also note the one eyed horses going at rates comparable to normal horses.

Ken R KNopp

[ButtermilkRanger]

Re: Ordnance Issues to the 8th Confederate Cavalry (Wades)

I also noticed at least 3 roans and 3 "creams", which around here would refer to a palomino, claybank or light colored dun or buckskin. Guess that blows the "no buckskins or palomino" rule out of the water. Still searching for the paints and aps. On a serious note, I wonder how many of these horses were gaited?