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    Here are two "possible" Confederate bridles with bits. I say "possible". Why? Because they lack real conclusive recorded, verifiable provenance. While I am confident in the veracity of the bits (at least their patterns) when one deals with leather items such as bridles that are "detachable" from the bits and yet, are made of the same materials, patterns, workmanship and hardware of any mid- to late 19th century bridle....without other clear documentation then one can only speculate it as Confederate. Now, I am told the bridle with the "C" boss came out of this man's family but again,....after 150 years one cannot be certain. OK, having said all of this....still the leather, hardware, workmanship is "in keeping" with the period and Confederate manufacturing and worthy of study.

    Let me also add that bridles, any bridles of the period, are exceedinly rare artifacts. Bridle bits often survive but rarely bridles. As horsemen we know that bridles lack the sentimental value that saddles hold for us. One can love a comfortable, memorable saddle that has carried us many a mile but a bridle is just a tool. Furthermore, they hang in the barn and do not tend to survive years of the changing heat, cold, mold, rodents, etc. as a saddle does. So after a number of years its real easy to save the bit but toss the now dry rotted, stiff, weak, fragile leather into the trash. And so it is that very few bridles of the period have been passed down to us.

    Trooper's Bit Bridle: Nice hand forged topper's pattern curb bit. Bridle employing four buckles and fine loops, etc. definitely finer than commonly issued to troooper's... this is NOT a typical trooper's pattern. However, it employs plain russett bridle leather (7/8's wide), hand sewn, correct period roller buckles, common leather curb strap of leather (rather than curb chains as was typical for Federal and finer bridles). I do not believe the reins are original to the bridle and perhaps not of the period.

    The English "C" boss bit bridle: Fine, officer's type pattern. Plain russett bridle leather (3/4 inches wide), hand sewn, japanned horse shoe buckles, period brass rosettes, a nice rolled leather brow band, and a double gig curb chain. The throat latch is a post manufacture repair using rivets. The reins are NOT (in my opinion) original but rather are a later 'add-on".

    Lots more artifacts coming!!....

    Ken R Knopp
    Last edited by Ken Knopp; 12-06-2011, 12:19 AM.

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    Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

    Ken, love the descriptions! Did you get any pictures?
    Andrew Verdon

    7th Tennessee Cavalry Company D

    Tennessee Plowboy #1 of the "Far Flung Mess"

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      Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

      Sorry, the thread did not pick up the photos....here they are....

      Sorry the photos are not the best. Bridles are VERY, VERY hard to photograph requiring good front and side lighting. Their length and size does not lend itself to getting good detail. Here again, the light was not the best.


      Ken R Knopp
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      Last edited by Ken Knopp; 12-06-2011, 12:23 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

        I LOVE that first bridle, look at the thickness of the iron, I think I see a new project in my future. Great stuff, thanks! plm
        Save me a place at the fire,

        Paul L Muller

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          Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

          Just because I can't tell the "subtle details" to well right now; what makes the reins on the troopers bit seem not of the period?
          Andrew Verdon

          7th Tennessee Cavalry Company D

          Tennessee Plowboy #1 of the "Far Flung Mess"

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          • #6
            Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

            I agree with Paul. I see a new project in my future as well. Thanks for posting!
            Larry Morgan
            Buttermilk Rangers

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            • #7
              Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

              Folks,

              Check the great example of using "rolled leather" that is on the 2nd photo posted. Ken sent me some examples of this type of work (ie. photo of L'il Sorrel - Stonewall's horse) as this is a type of leather work example that is sorely missing in our representation for civilian rigs, especially.

              I will give Karl Pepper a plug here, as he took those photos and my measurements and suggestions and did an unbelievable job of making a wonderful halter/bridle rig using that rolled leather. I am amazed at the detail and quality. Then I added a nice English pelham bit (again from Mr. Knopp) and it really looks good (sorry to boast a bit) but the point is that if you like that look, then there is an affordable source for reproduction. I will add that producing "rolled leather" items is not for the novice or faint of heart...........

              regards,
              Mark
              J. Mark Choate
              7th TN. Cavalry, Co. D.

              "Let history dictate our impressions.......not the other way around!"

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                Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

                That is good to know Mark. I did not know anyone was making rolled leather bridles and such. They do seem to have been one of the more popular styles available in the civilian market during the period. While everyone sees a new project in their future, I reckon I am seeing a phone call in mine.
                Patrick McAllister
                Saddlebum

                "Bíonn grásta Dé idir an diallait agus an talamh

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                • #9
                  Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

                  I agree on making rolled leather Mark. Ideally you have a somewhat speciallized vise or maybe jaws for your lacing horse. I have the info in my one book. I haven't tackled it yet. They are good looking bridles. Show age, maybe early 20th century commercial?
                  Cpl. Joseph Lambert
                  7th TN Co.D

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                    Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

                    Since several of you have mentioned wanting to see the rolled leather halter/bridle, I will post a photo below. The english pelham is there but at time of photo, I had not added any curb.

                    Please disregard the "period" purple lead, ha.

                    regards,
                    Mark


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                    J. Mark Choate
                    7th TN. Cavalry, Co. D.

                    "Let history dictate our impressions.......not the other way around!"

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                    • #11
                      Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

                      thats a great looking halter/bridle Mark.
                      Cpl. Joseph Lambert
                      7th TN Co.D

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                      • #12
                        Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

                        Mark, please tell me that you are bringing that this weekend! I would love to take a look at it!
                        Andrew Verdon

                        7th Tennessee Cavalry Company D

                        Tennessee Plowboy #1 of the "Far Flung Mess"

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                          Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

                          Mark - that's a fantastic looking halter/bridle!

                          Mike
                          Mike Ventura
                          Shannon's Scouts

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                          • #14
                            Re: Two Confederate Bridles.....!

                            Thank you fellas, but it is Karl Pepper who deserves the credit for the work and Ken helped me with getting the pelham.

                            regards,
                            Mark
                            J. Mark Choate
                            7th TN. Cavalry, Co. D.

                            "Let history dictate our impressions.......not the other way around!"

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