19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

[pirateCSA]

Fellas,
Trying to find information on the 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia in the Fall if '63. Apparently there was a depot set up in Lynchburg just for these western VA troops. I know they were under "Mudwall" Jackson's command. I need to find out what they were wearing and what kind of Arms & equipment they had. Any info would be great!

Thanks,
Bobby Small

[Mark Choate]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Bobby,

While I do not have an answer for you on this, I would ask if you have tried the search engine to see what you can come up with for the 19th and 20th Va. Cavalry? There is most likely some info to be found.

Also, I will put a shout out for our friend, Will McDonald who has amazed us with his access to munitions and QM reports for so many of the CS cavalry units. Will................got anything on these two??

regards,

Mark

[pirateCSA]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Mark,
I have searched and searched and I can only come up with this: Prior to the 19th and 20th being formed in the spring of '63, most of the men came from the 3rd VA State Line. They acted as independent companies in the same manor they acted as Virginia State Rangers prior to the 3rd Line. They were mostly partisans and bushwhackers. I know the 3rd State Line received their equipment from a supply depot in Lynchburg. I also know that they were an unruly bunch and they would return home to resupply themselves with “provisions”. So I am assuming, and I hate to assume, but they would have remnants of the 3rd Line uniforms and equipment and a lot of civilian stuff. Would I be wrong to assume that?
Thanks,
Bobby

[Doughboy]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Bobby,
I have contacted Greg Starbuck to see what he might know. If anyone has info on Lynchburg dispersals during this period it would be him.

[pirateCSA]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Chris,
Thanks pal!

Bobby

[Mississippian]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

I thought I felt someone calling me.....

Ok, lets see, lets start with the field and staff rolls of the 19thVA Cav pre October 1863. Ah, here we go:

CSR of Col. W. Jackson, 19th Virginia Cavalry

Received May 1st 1863

5 Cavalry Bridles
5 Cavalry Halters
50 Mississippi Rifles

Received May 31st 1863 at Staunton VA:

12000 Cartridges cal .54
10000 Cartridges cal .54 Round Ball
4000 Cartridges cal .69
3000 Cartridges Colts Navy Pistol
3000 Cartridges Colts Army Pistol
2780 Cartridges Colts Rifles
67 pr Spurs
130 pr Spur Straps
100 Bridles
1 Cavalry Saber
1 Saber Belt
5000 Musket Caps
10050 Pistol Caps
468 Canteens
293 Canteen Straps
1000 Haversacks
350 Cartridge Boxes
350 Shoulder Belts
350 Waist Belts
350 Cap Pouches
15 Mississippi Rifles
24 Austrian Rifles
29 Enfield Muskets
31 Minnie Muskets
25 Bayonets

Received June 17th 1863 at Staunton VA:

75 Cavalry Saddles
75 Cavalry Bridles
75 Cavalry Halters
75 Cartridge Boxes
75 Shoulder Belts
75 Waist Belts
56 Cavalry Sabers
40 Saber Belts
19 Horse Pistols
75 Cap Pouches
75 Bayonet Scabbards

Looks like the 19th was wearing Infantry Accouterments along with a smattering of Saber Belts and some sabers. Looks like their initial outfitting was fairly complete. Will look more when I have the time.

Will MacDonald

[pirateCSA]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

HOLY CRAP! Will! Thanks man!

Thanks,
Bobby

[pirateCSA]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

The reports from The Battle of Bulltown say that there was about 75 mounted and 400-600 infantry of Rebs. I knew not many were mounted and this goes a long way in confirming it!

Thanks,
Bobby

[Mark Choate]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Bobby,

I told you that Will has been "amazing us". If you wanna know the favorite color or zodiac sign of any of the troopers...........Will's your man, ha.

Thanks Will!!

Mark

[pirateCSA]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

You guys have been a great help to me! I thank you enough!

Bobby

[pirateCSA]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Will,
This was probably their first issue. A lot of the men probably had stuff from the 3rd Virginia State Line. The 19th was formed from the 3rd. I would be interested in seeing what the 3rd got. Most of them were irregular troops.

Bobby

[Mark Choate]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Hey Bobby,

Not to dampen your excitement here, but I gotta put my "moderator hat" on for a moment and remind you to make sure that all of your posts include your first and last name. It is a cardinal rule on the forum and it slipped by my notice during all of the action. It is really easier if you go in to your profile and set up your signature line and then it does it automatically. Let me know if you need any help with same.

Thanks for correcting...............Now, back to the celebration and the killing of the fatted calf!!

Mark

[Mississippian]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

I'm flattered by everyone's comments. I just find what I can and pass it on.

Now, back to records. Those records for state troops can be hard to come by. But I will look after I go through the 19th and 20th VA proper. Right now I'm going through the company officers of the 19th.

CSR of Capt. S. Campbell Co. "K" 19th VA

Received Oct 2nd 1863

12 pr Shoes

CSR of Lt. J. Morgan Co. "A" 19th VA Cav

Received Oct 2nd 1863

12 pr Shoes

CSR of Capt. W. O'Brian Co. "F" 19th VA Cav.

Received June 20th 1863

3 Hats
1 Axe
11 pr Shoes
18 Jackets
18 pr Pants
31 Shirts
2 pr Drawers
33 pr Socks

Received Oct 2nd 1863

10 pr Shoes
4 pr Pants

CSR of Capt. H. Ruffner Co. "G" 19th VA Cav.

Received June 23rd 1863

2 Jackets
3 pr Pants
6 Shirts
4 pr Socks
4 pr Drawers
4 pr Shoes
34 pr Pants
31 Jackets
22 pr Shoes
34 Shirts
40 pr Drawers
54 pr Socks

CSR of Lt. G. Sipple Co. "F" 19th VA Cav

Received Oct. 8th 1863

6 Camp Kettles
6 Skillets with Lids

Received Oct. 8th 1863

75 Jackets
200 Shirts
200 pr Drawers
10 Caps
100 pr Socks

CSR of Capt. J. Sprigg Co. "B" 19th VA Cav.

Received June 23rd 1863

3 pr Shoes
39 Jackets
37 pr Pants
55 Shirts
54 pr Drawers
68 pr Socks
2 Skillets and Lids
19 pr Shoes
5 Jackets
17 Shirts
15 pr Socks
2 Camp Kettles

Received Oct 1st 1863

36 Jackets
32 pr Pants
68 Shirts
45 pr Drawers
15 pr Shoes
50 pr Socks
1 Skillet with Lid
1 Camp Kettle
8 Caps

CSR of Lt. J. Thornburg 19th VA Cav

Received May 25th 1863

200 Pistol Caps
120 Pistol Cartridges

Ok, that's EVERYTHING, from the rolls of the officers of the 19th pre-battle. It seems some companies got fairly major issues of clothing right before the battle while others got very little. Now, it could be that the records are just missing for those companies. I did find that the whole regiment was issued large amounts of clothing in November and December, but that's after the timeframe needed....

Will MacDonald

[pirateCSA]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Mark,
You are right and I knew that. Sorry.

Thanks,
Bobby Small

[pirateCSA]

Re: 19th & 20th VA Cavalry in West Virginia, Fall if '63?

Will,
Fantastic! May I site what you have found. I will make sure to give you the credit. What source are you pulling this stuff from?
I am almost in tears! This has truely been an answer to my prayers!

Thank you,
Bobby Small