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  • Early Hope & Texas saddles....

    I am doing a bit of research right now and thought I might share some information "exclusive" to you mounted fellas on the AC.....

    The following is a small excerpt of a project I am currently working on. This is my research and writing so I accept all blame for its errors, ommissions and, of course, grammatical sloppiness. But, dont be too unforgiving as it is taken a bit out of context and an early draft. Still, as it is presented here, it should still be easy to follow and understand. It is also a "work in progress" so will likely be tweaked considerably before being published. Due to lack of space I have omitted all footnotes (they are considerable) and several other photos. Nevertheless, I just wanted to share it and I hope folks enjoy it.....Ken R KNopp

    Early Hope & Texas saddles. Their history and identification...

    ......About the same time another saddle tree emerged in American culture that would achieve legendary status and world wide recognition. In 1820, Connecticut native Moses Austin obtained from Spain a grant of land for an American colony in Texas. Austin planned to lead a group of immigrants there but died before he could carry out his project. After Austin’s death, his son Stephen obtained confirmation of the Texas grants from the newly inaugurated Mexican government, and established a colony of several hundred American families on the Brazos river from 1821-23. This group became known in Texas history as the “Old 300" or, the first organized, approved influx of Anglo-American immigrants into Texas. Between 1824 and 1828, Austin granted 297 land titles under this contract. Each head of household received a minimum of 177 acres or 4,428 acres depending on whether they intended to farm or raise livestock.
    Among these colonists was recent widower James Hope, his three sons (Prosper, Adolphus and Richard), six daughters and a servant. James Hope was born about 1775 in England where he had been a farmer, cordwainer’s apprentice, slipper maker and owned a tannery. Hope arrived first in New York about 1802 then journeyed to several other places before finally West Feliciana Parish Louisiana about 1815. From there he moved to Texas under Austin’s land grants sometime before July 1824 where he received title to property in what is now southwestern Brazos county. The March 1824 Texas census lists Hope as a “farmer and stock raiser”. Then in 1836 he went back to England to settle some family estate issues. However, he never returned. According to family history upon his return voyage James Hope was believed to have been lost at sea. Before leaving Texas he had left his youngest son Richard in charge of his farm and property which included a large number peach and nectarine trees. Born in Louisiana Richard Hope inherited not only his fathers Texas land but apparently his cordwainer and leather skills as well.
    In 1834 twenty year old Richard opened a saddle tree shop in Washington on the Brazos. Richard’s father James had owned a boot and shoe making shop in Bayou Sara Louisiana before coming to Texas so it appears likely that his father had helped him establish the business before leaving for England. It was here Richard Hope developed the widely renown saddle tree that bears his name. Although finished in an endless variety of ways it was the uniqueness of the Hope tree that caught the attention of the Texas frontier.
    In July 1835 Richard served for a time in Capt. George Barnett’s company of Texas Rangers and later Capt. James Swisher’s company formed by the Independent Republic to fight Indians. Both company’s were organized in Washington and were among the first officially organized units of Texas Rangers. According to the history of the Texas Rangers, at this time its mounted rangers used “Mexican saddles improved somewhat by Americans”. Given Richard’s affiliation with the Rangers and the location of his saddle shop it would seem likely that at least some of the saddles used by the first Texas Rangers were built upon Hope saddle trees. Richard also served in the Texas Army during the Battle of San Jacinto and later, periodically as a 1st Lieutenant in Capt. William W. Hill’s Texas Ranger Company under Col Edward Burleson’s Ranging Corps of Mounted Rifleman. Each time he returned from duty to his saddle shop to build saddle trees that were fast gaining a considerable reputation across Texas for their quality and durability. In 1855 he was listed as building saddle trees under a partnership with Nashville native Henry R Cartmell. By the time of the Civil War Richard had married twice, fathered several children but was still making saddles in Washington having gained a certain level of prosperity on the rough Texas frontier. The 1860 Census has Richard listed as a “saddler” with assets of $10,000 and personal assets of $3,200. However, by the 1870 census Richard is listed as a “Farmer” and considerably poorer. Hope remained in Texas until his death in 1887. Today, he is buried in an unmarked grave in Rio Vista, Johnson County Texas. It is not clear why he discontinued making saddle trees but likely the economic and political turmoil of the war contributed to the demise of his business and with it his fortunes.
    The saddle tree constructed by Richard Hope in the 1830's was an instant and huge success with the rapidly immigrating Anglos who were now arriving in Texas in great numbers. Although no doubt quickly being plagiarized by other Texas saddle makers Richard Hope was likely the first to Americanize the Mexican vaquero saddle into something different and acceptable. Clearly adopting its nearly identical rawhide covered tree including pommel, low cantle and bar configuration from the Mexican saddle, what made the Hope different from it and the St Louis pattern Spanish saddle tree was its wide but low, flat horn, lower cantle and simple, unadorned craftsmanlike finish. More importantly, its allure was broad based having a low profile shape, utility, durability, comfort and yet security that appealed to the average horseman seeking safety and comfort for both horse and rider, as well as the cattleman roper in the emerging Texas frontier cattle industry. In short, beyond its notable utilitarian qualities it became “Texianized” enough to differ it from Mexican, Spanish and English saddles and thus appeal to the independent spirit of the Texas anglos who wished to separate themselves from all past or perceived allegiances.
    Other makers across Texas were turning out “Hope’s” saddle too. In 1856, the San Antonio firm of Rice & Childress provided the U.S. Army War Department with 400 Hope saddles for experimental use with the 2nd Cavalry. Although the War Department ultimately decided upon another official saddle for cavalry service the Hope was clearly favored by nearly all who used them. Moreover, its popularity was beginning to grow well beyond the Texas border. The saddle tree originated by Richard Hope was generally known under that name in Texas; outside the state non-Texans increasingly appear to have simply called it the “Texas” saddle. Regardless, this saddle pattern was the first of the truly classic American horned saddles and became an iconic cultural symbol for America with influences lasting well into the modern era................

    THE HOPE/TEXAS/STOCK SADDLE: As the first of the two “classic” American horned saddle patterns, the Texas saddle tree was invented by Richard Hope in 1834. Like the later California saddle, the Hope saddle tree evolved from Mexican influences but with clear and distinct differences from those patterns most notably in the shape of its pommel, cantle and horn. While many Texas saddle makers made them, the “Hope” was the first name applied to these horned, Texas-made saddle trees. However, by the 1860's this began to change as the term “Texas saddle” was more often being applied to this pattern of horned saddle tree- at least by non-Texans. Early Hope/Texas saddles were rawhide covered. The finish of the pre Civil War tree varied widely from full coverings to half seats; various quarter and girth strap rigging; and decorative features but most had Mochillas. The war offered opportunity for wide exposure of the pattern but the saddle’s natural comfort and utility engendered an explosive increase in its popularity. After the war the horn of the Texas saddle became smaller, the pommel and cantle varied gradually got higher and the seat deeper largely attributed to its practical applications for working cattle and riding broncs. Other innovations appeared along the way too that were soon embellished by catalog saddle makers of the period such as double rigging, Sam Stagg rigging and varieties of jockeys, most significantly, skirt patterns that now went under the tree simulating but replacing the mochilla. As the Texas saddle evolved into the late commercial catalog era it came in many configurations but is generally observed with squared jockey’s and skirts, a narrow fork, higher horn, cantle and deep seat.

    Note: Applehorn saddles with/without Mochillas were popular from the 1850's through 1870's. The large Mexican “dinner plate” cap horns apparently came into fashion in the 1860's but were never very popular with most Americans. Steel horns were a useful innovation but did not appear with regularity until about the 1880's . Heavy steel stirrups came into fashion in the 1890's then faded away by the 1930's. Over the decades catalog Texas saddles grew larger, heavier and by 1900, eventually morphed into the cowboy’s trademark “stock” saddle albeit still primarily designed for the casual riding trade. Although having the same foundation as the Hope and Texas, the horned Morgan saddle was an entirely different genre developed after the war. It should also be noted that the typical catalog era Texas and stock “riding” saddles were not generally of the same quality as stock or ranch saddles by other makers that specialized in that “working cowboy” genre.




    A "few" of the photos...............(captions in reverse order relative to photos....)
    PHOTO: 1850's Hope or Texas saddle tree. The primary difference from the Spanish saddle tree was in the shape, size and width of the horn cap and the graceful bars. Though borrowing heavily from the Mexican vaquero (estradoita) saddle the Hope was the widely acclaimed forerunner to the Texas saddle. Up until the Civil War the saddle was known as the Hope but afterwards simply as a “Texas” saddle.


    PHOTO: This original Hope Saddle is believed to be one of those made in 1857 by Rice & Childress of San Antonio Texas for experimental trial by the 2nd Cavalry. Courtesy of the Ft Sill Museum.

    PHOTO: 1850's era Hope or Texas Saddle with and without its mochilla. Note the wide stirrup straps looped through the bars. Although double-rigged, this was not widely common until after the war for ranching operations that required roping.


    Illustration: A rather typical post war catalog Texas Saddle as offered by Jacob Straus Saddlery Co. of St. Louis from their late 1880's catalog. Texas saddles were wildly popular and were found in nearly every eastern saddle catalog from the 1870's through 1920's. They varied widely but usually had a high horn, deep seat and squared skirts meant to simulate the mochilla. Most of the genre seem to employ the Samstagg rigging (leather twist around the horn) and double girths while horns, seats, stirrups, skirts, jockeys, fenders and leather tooling varied among makers and the desire of the purchaser.
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    Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

    Outstanding work once again, Ken and very informative. Bayou Sara in West Feliciana Parish is roughly about 50 miles NE of the Attakapas region of SW Louisiana and even closer to the ancestral range lands of the Attakapas Indians. The Attakapas were ranching wild cattle when the Cajuns first hit the scene in the 1760s. I've always wondered if the Attakapas saddle influenced the Texas saddle and made it's way west or if the Hope saddle of Texas came east and influenced the Attakapas design.

    What are your thoughts on this? I'll gladly settle for opinion in the absence of documented fact.
    Larry Morgan
    Buttermilk Rangers

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      Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

      The Attakapas (variably pronounced “a-tack-a-paw” or sometimes “at-a-cap-as”) saddle had no relation to the Hope or Texas saddle and actually predates the Hope. The Hope and then Texas emanated from the Mexican Vaquero saddle which was an evolution of the Spanish/Mexican "Estradoita" pattern . The Attakapas was in fact, a direct descendant of the Spanish/Mexican "Jineta" saddle. Its history is quite interesting and intertwined with the cattle culture of the region. While this is opinion it is not speculative but taken from well reasoned study and considerable documentation. Like the Hope/Texas info above it is comes from alot of new, recently discovered information and sources. I have a dissertation of it that I will post soon.

      Ken R Knopp

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      • #4
        Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

        Thanks, Ken. I can't wait to see the research you uncovered on the Attakapas. I've studied the cattle culture of the region, but found almost no information on the saddles used. Wild cattle and horses roaming the marshes and prairies of SW Louisiana, and the cavaliers and vacheries who tended them is an interesting story in itself. Our cattle industry predates the Texas cattle industry and many of the first drives were from Mexican Tejas to Opelousas and New Orleans. I thought maybe the interaction between the vaqueros and vacheries influenced the development of both saddles. Interesting read regardless.
        Larry Morgan
        Buttermilk Rangers

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          Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

          Awesome research Ken!! Do you know what type the Scots-Irish cowboys aka Florida crackers used in the early 19th century? I was wondering if they used a traditional eastern civilian saddle or was there any cross pollination with the Hope saddle back east? I would think they would have favored the latter if available due to being able to dally a rope with the prominent horn when roping cows. Was the Wade tree a direct descendant of the Hope? It seems resemble it most closely compared to some of the other modern western styles.

          Anita L. Henderson
          13th Va Cavalry, Co. H., Light Sussex Dragoons-bugler

          All posts must be signed with full name. Forum rule #1!
          Mark Choate
          Last edited by agintomboy; 08-25-2013, 08:59 PM.

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            Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

            My own readings concerning the cracker cowboys and the development of the cracker horse in south Florida mention that the saddle most commonly seen post-war was surplus McClellans. Working cattle with whips, hence the term "crackers", takes away some of the need for roping, but not all. It would make sense that horned saddles had made their way to Florida in the antebellum years for the reasons you already mentioned, but it is possible they worked cattle European style as they still do in Australia and South America.
            Larry Morgan
            Buttermilk Rangers

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            • #7
              Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

              Anita,

              Please forgive this long answer......
              Q: Do you know what type the Scots-Irish cowboys aka Florida crackers used in the early 19th century? I was wondering if they used a traditional eastern civilian saddle or was there any cross pollination with the Hope saddle back east? I would think they would have favored the latter if available due to being able to dally a rope with the prominent horn when roping cows.

              A: Here is the “very short” version of the cattle industry and a bit of its subsequent saddlery in the U.S. : Generally speaking the American cattle industry started in the Carolinas in the 1600's quickly immigrating west over the next 150 years along two lines. One, in some slight fashion in the northern south through Georgia and Tennessee but more importantly a much larger migration took place in the deep south along the coastal plains regions of Georgia, northern Florida, including the panhandle, lower Alabama, Mississippi, South Louisiana and finally east Texas. It was these regions that provided the best year round grass, temperate climate etc. Suffice it to say that the early cattle industry in America was one primarily raising European stock.
              The great Spanish cattle operations began in Mexico about the same time (somewhat earlier) particularly northern Mexico immigrating west and north and then turning east into east Texas and then Louisiana. The type cattle raised in the Spanish operations were generally longhorns. The confluence of these two great migrations met in south Louisiana called Acadiana in the mid 1700's with the Attakapas region being the center. In fact, this area was home of the “first” great ranches (“Vacheries”), cattle markets, drives, etc. long before Texas was a country (much less a state). The story of the Cajuns of this region, their cattle operations, influences on saddlery, clothing, etc. is quite interesting.
              America’s earliest cattlemen in the east were called “herders” (not cowboys) and employed “Americanized” European techniques making use of cattle pens, the whip and herd dogs. Their saddlery was generally English influenced flat saddles. Horns did not come into play until the Spanish/Mexicans introduced them from Mexico. Due the open range the Spanish began using the lariat as a gathering method sometime in the mid to late 1700's (disputable) and thus their saddlery was based upon the “Estradoita” (a.k.a. "La Brida") version of the early European Spanish war saddles (evolved from the European great saddles of medieval fame) modified with Mexican influences into what became the Vaquero saddle.
              Another early Spanish saddle was the “jineta” saddle that was introduced into Spain by the Moors of northern Africa. Both saddles were first brought into New Spain (Mexico) by Hernando Cortez (perhaps even Columbus to some extent) and other subsequent Spanish expeditions under Coronado, Don Juan Onate etc. Both saddles developed in Mexico in subsequent decades. Historians are in a bit of disagreement about which one actually influenced our horned Texas and California saddles (two different saddles). However, my research brings a bit more clarity to the issue. I believe both developed in Mexico for different purposes - one for working cattle (the Estradoita) and the other (the Jineta) for general riding. In fact, the styles of riding in these saddles were quite different too. It was the Mexican Estradoita/La Brida (then Vaquero) that eventually became the Hope or Texas (and likely the California) while the “Jineta” became the Attakapas saddle of south Louisiana and then faded from the scene. Once one understands this migration and sees the historical evidence, numerous artwork and view the few surviving saddles this becomes very clear.
              Of course, this is a very abbreviated version of events, innovations and evolutions. There are many other influences of horned saddles that include the America’s great migration west (Manifest Destiny), the Fur Trade, the Gold Rush, Southern culture and incredibly poor road systems (incredibly important!), transportation innovations (steam boats, etc.), the Texas War of Independence, Mexican War, Civil War, the large northern saddle houses (manufacturers), catalog era, etc. All of which influenced and brought exposure to the Hope, Texas, St. Louis Spanish and Half Spanish saddles, California saddles, Attakapas and Creole saddles, Kilgore, cowboy stock saddles, etc. etc. etc. ....
              SOURCES: Many... but here is a primary: Jordan, Gerry G., Trails to Texas, Southern Roots of Western Cattle Ranching, University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln & London, 1981 and....of course, Man Made Mobile!

              Larry is right about Florida “Crackers” and the origins of the term. Horned saddles probably made early appearances in Florida before the CW but not for roping until much later. When I was young I made my living as a Florida “Cracker” Cowboy for a couple of years gathering wild cattle from the deep swamps of central Florida. While we roped cattle too (on improved pasture) the cypress swamps, palmetto brush etc. makes the use of a rope for gathering cattle very difficult. We “brush-popped” the swamps for cattle using the methods common in the area....herding with whips and dogs and then the rope but only “if” we got a shot at em. The dogs were our best tool. In fact, I remember some of the old timers of that era were known to be pretty handy with a whip- and probably still are. Unlike today with it’s racial connotations, we were (and I still am) very proud to be called a “Cracker”.


              Q: Was the Wade tree a direct descendant of the Hope? It seems resemble it most closely compared to some of the other modern western styles.
              Q: No, ....the Wade saddle did not originate until the 1880's (at its earliest) and into the early and mid 20th century in Oregon and Idaho. By then, the origins and development of American horned saddlery was long since decided and permanently fixed.
              IMHO, from appearances the Wade saddle is probably a descendant of the California.

              Ken R KNopp
              Last edited by Ken Knopp; 08-26-2013, 11:31 PM.

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                Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

                In 1792, Captain Vancouver anchored in San Francisco Bay, and visited the Santa Clara mission ranch. He wrote, "I saw a rodeo there..they caught the cattle with hair or rawhide ropes...and having strong, high-peaked pommels to their saddles, they took a turn around it with the end of the line and by that means held the animal." I believe this is the first description of roping, certainly in California. (Man Made Mobile got that wrong)

                I have heard several stories about the origin of the Wade saddle tree, one is that Clifford Wade's grandfather brought it from West Virginia, the other was his father brought it from South Dakota. Either way, Cliff was riding it in the 1930's in Oregon, where Tom Dorrence the horse trainer first saw it. Dorrence is responsible for it's popularity today. It has more influence from the Texas saddles than from California.
                Casey Mott

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                • #9
                  Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

                  Hey there, Casey

                  I just logged on and saw your post and I am curious where the writings of Capt. Vancouver can be found. Is there a copy of his diary or another source? If something out there that trumps the Man made mobile book on this matter, I would like to read it.

                  thx,
                  Mark
                  J. Mark Choate
                  7th TN. Cavalry, Co. D.

                  "Let history dictate our impressions.......not the other way around!"

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                  • #10
                    Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

                    Casey, Hey! Great info on the early roping quote. Never saw that one! Nor as early a reference to the word "rodeo"! Thank you! Can you provide a source citation for my personal reference? I would greatly appreciate the input. Really, much obliged!

                    I will respectfully disagree on the influence of the Wade. I googled "Images for Wade saddles" and found a host of photos. Of course most were modern but some go back quite a ways. Nevertheless, the unfortunate reality of the matter is that the modern Wades have been bastardized so completely they really resemble neither of the early Hope's or California saddles. Of course, that is the inherent problem with all modern saddles and "most" after the 1880's or so. Most 20th century horned saddles are interpretations of interpretations....So drawing original lineage is really almost futile.
                    Most Wades today appear to be a cross between the later day Texas and later day California saddles. Some of the horns and and cantles as well as leather treatments show comparisons to these Californians but then the pommel smacks of a Texas. But then again, it is an exercise in futility. However, if one can show some direct influences of early Wade's to early Hope's...ala the Wade's being made in the 1850's or 60's or some other direct lineage then....well, yes. But, my understanding of the Wade's date them back to the post war catalog era....at earliest.

                    Please don't take this as nothing more than just my humble opinion. Like intestinal exit locations....we all have one.

                    Thank you again!

                    Respectfully,

                    Ken R KNopp

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                    • #11
                      Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

                      I'm afraid that what I have is a photocopied fragment from a book on saddles. I like that it countered the assertion in MMM (page 17)
                      " There is only one sketch "at Monterrey" that even vaguely suggests a horned saddle north of Baja California before 1800. Was roping from the saddle not yet a practice of California ranching?
                      Casey Mott

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                      • #12
                        Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

                        Ken, I realize that we're running the risk of straying too far from the mid-19th century, or worse, we risk everyone rolling their eyes in boredom. Anyhow... California saddles have traditionally been center-fire rigged, mostly Visalia's, or their modern counterparts, Weatherly's or 3B's.

                        The best way I can describe it is; from the side, a California saddle tree will have the shape of a "V". A Texas influenced tree will have the shape of an "H".

                        THink of a center-fire versus double-rig and you will get the idea.
                        Casey Mott

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                        • #13
                          Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

                          From my research, horned saddles in NOrth America predate 1800 in various "Mexicanized" versions of the early Spanish Estradoita (La Brida) and Jineta forms (from Spain) but it is not clear how far they go back as a tool for roping. There is very little credible evidence on this subject. Hence my thrill at your quote. These early Spanish saddles had "peaks" but have no resemblence to modern horns particularly for roping. Certainly, the Mexicans altered these saddles quite a bit beginning as early as 1549 when a group of professional saddle makers (Talabateros) from Spain formed a trade guild in Mexico City. Thereafter, places like Puebla and Michoacan and later others places, became regional centers for leather and saddle making. Widespread experimentation and creativity was common in New Spain from then on in Mexico (1820). How they developed and which ones actually influenced our horned "Spanish" and Half Spanish, Hope and California saddles, etc. is a matter of wide debate. Not enough real evidence to form more than conjecture.
                          Anyway, the Spanish/Mexican craftsmanship in this period 1549-1800 (and beyond) ranged from crude and rudimentary to incredible bordering on art work.
                          Our (American Anglos) exposure to all of these so called "Mexican" or "Spanish" saddles probably came in the late 1700's but were not widely reported nor copied in America until about 1816-1820 (Though Lewis & Clark and Pike report them in 1804-1806) or so with the migrations west and the adaptions of the horned saddle beginning with Grimsley, the Fur Trade etc. in St. Louis. Though perhaps, New Orleans had an earlier look at them.

                          Its a convoluted story......

                          Ken R KNopp


                          One reference for "roping" I note is from Byron Price's book "Fine Art of the West" in which he says roping goes back to the "mid-18th century" but provide no real source citation.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

                            Well, yes we are straying a bit but while we are certain to bore some folks the fact is, this is FIRM foundational knowledge we are delving into here. Very important to understanding the common pre war Hope saddles, Spanish, Attakapas, Texas saddles etc. (even McClellan which had Mexican and Campbell saddle origins) that "all" of us ride at CW events.

                            One cannot understand "where" you are unless you know "where" you have been.

                            Good points on the rigging except....double rigging was not common until after the war. Not to say it was not "out there" just not common. Most pre war horned saddles were center-fire rigged. Occaisional 3/4 rigged. An examination of pre war illustrations (Fur Trade, various wars) and survivng saddles bear this out. Post war Texas saddles were often double rigged but NOT the pre war Hope's.

                            Great thread and subject!

                            Thank you!

                            Ken R KNopp

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                            • #15
                              Re: Early Hope & Texas saddles....

                              Casey, I hope I am not coming off as arrogant here. I do not mean it so. Fact is, I am right in the middle of alot of this information right now......so its fresh.....


                              ...six months from now I won't be able to remember half of it!

                              Respectfully,

                              Ken R Knopp

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