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What would you folks recomend for a good all around generic CS saber belt? I would like something that I could use for both AoT and ANV. I already have a US belt. Thoughts?
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Robert Johnson
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There is an original CS manufactured belt that is on loan to Tredegar Iron Works from the GNMP that is constructed in everyway like a U.S. belt with exception of the absence of the "sam brown" shoulder strap and uses a georgia frame buckle. The buckle is attached with one vertical row of stitching, which also differs from the U.S. '51 pattern. I have a reproduction of this belt.Originally posted by hireddutchcutthroat
You can also go with a simple tension sword belt that utilizes any number of various two-piece buckles.
Either of these options should work well for you.
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These would work nicely.Attached FilesAka
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You might consider one which is on display at GNMP. It is a simple Georgia frame buckle and belt with sword hangers/hardware attatched. A very interesting piece!Paul Manzo
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At this point I am leaning towards a "spoon and wreath" or possibly an English import belt. I geuss this means I would might actually have to carry a saber :sarcasticRobert Johnson
"Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."
In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.Comment
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You can't go wrong with a simply spoon & wreath set-up. John Stillwagon, with permission, had photographed an "expediency" piece that was in the collection of Don Troiani. It was a simple folded cloth belt with iron hardward (the oval kind vs. brass "D" rings on U.S. belts) with sewn leather hangers. It also exhibited a two-piece buckle with no method of adjustment. The belt was unpainted...very cool!Originally posted by hireddutchcutthroatComment
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Whoa, that is interesting!Originally posted by CJSchumacherRobert Johnson
"Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."
In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.Comment
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A few years ago I got together with Tom Czenski (sp?) and asked him to recommend a design that would have been worn by a recently promoted western C.S. line officer of few means. The Gettysburg frame piece was the the model we decided on. The last time I saw him he still had a few made up. He's not in the retail business anymore but perhaps someone has a contact.Originally posted by NighthawkMarlin Teat
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Gents,
I guess everyone has something that's "their thing" and CS waist belts & sword belts happen to be mine. First off, I'd steer away from the canvas piece as it's very late war and very specifinc to the ANV. The one I viewed from Hendershott's collection a number of years ago didn't even appear to have been issued. I believe he still has photographs of that particular one on his website. Take a look at the belt Paul C. posted for me under the CW images section on original artifacts. The roller buckle sword belt is a very neat article and would be generic enough for either theatre; it also uses salvaged Federal hardware.
That being said, I'd recommend Hanover Brass for any of the various two-pieces in red brass. A Leech & Rigdon two piece may be a good choice also especially with its heavy use in the West. Gary's McElroy frame buckles also do very well on sword belts. I made several frame sword belts for S&S about a year ago so maybe give them a call and see if any are still available. Best wishes on the hunt.
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Neill Rose
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Neill,
Those pictures look great. That looks just like a Federal sword belt, minus the shield plate and some of the construction! It even looks like the front hanger strap assembly was correctly place on top of the belt like the U.S. belts. It looks to be very well made. That would be a great "generic" belt to use for doing CS regardless of theater.
The Troiani belt was actually missing the sword hangers and only the remnants of the stitched ends remained. I would agree that it is highly likely a later piece and wouldn't hold up well under extreme conditions.
I also concur with Hanover Brass as they have some teriffic buckles! They have a bunch which were repopped from Steve and Joyce Henry's unbelievable VA buckle collection...amongst their other selections!!Comment
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Chris,
Your right about the Taylor belt, it's very well made and exhibits one really neat feature; it's dyed on both sides and is rough/flesh out! Never say never I guess. Taylor served around the Wilmington area for a while along with in SC and Va after 1864. I never could find any officer's purchase forms in his records to see where it came from. The rings and square are put on just like the Federal model. One of my favorite pieces!
Jim Mayo's excellent site now has John's photos of the canvas belt so folks can check it out in detail. Good discussion.
Neill RoseComment
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The Taylor Belt
I have built three of these sturdy, simple belts so far and have sold the darn things as fast as I get them done. I did get to wear one at a tactical in Camden SC a few weeks back... I really liked it.Originally posted by Iron Scout
Easy adjustment, as the day warmed and layers came off, that was a great advantage. Should work in any theater.[FONT=Trebuchet MS]Tod Lane[/FONT]Comment
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Neill,Originally posted by Iron Scout
I too love collector talk! Here's Jim's link and the belt can be found at the bottom of the page. Notice, too, the cloth keeper at the left of the top photo and pristine CS spoon & wreath buckle. Funny thing is, on a non-adjustable belt...what do you need a keeper for??? Hmmm...looks I guess. Just a neat piece of equipment.
ChrisLast edited by CJSchumacher; 04-07-2004, 03:45 PM.Comment
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Chris,
The one Hendershott had was able to be adjusted via a small, double brass wire hook. Butch Myers has shown me several of these dug around Richmond. I mean it's small guage wire too! I may try to post a few photos here later that folks may find interesting. Many of the Richmond belts, especially 1863+, simply had a leather thong pulled thru two holes for adjustment. I'll see what I can do later regarding some pics of this.
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Why does "small-guage wire" and "dug around Richmond" not surprise me at all! :wink_smilOriginally posted by Iron Scout
That would be outstanding to see some more photos! I'd love to see them.Comment
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