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  • #16
    Re: Period Revolver Cleaning help

    I can only speak to the purchases by the British army and the Canadian Militia. When Colt's revolvers were purchased by individuals the instructions for loading and cleaning were pasted inside the lid of the case.
    When purchased for the government cleaning rods were part of the appendages.
    The instructions for loading and cleaning, a direct transcription from the individual instruction labels, were published in Militia general orders, repeatedly. Instructions for Rifle Muskets were published in manual form and General Orders.
    I own and use a Colt reproduction 1851 Navy and altered the case to the London Colt casing. I had to create a cleaning rod by turning a piece of walnut and inserting a rod with a slotted head to match the examples in the book Colonel Colt , London.
    I memory does not fail me, I believe that I used an M16 cleaning rod cut to length drilled and pinned to the turned head.
    This has served well for 35 years in the field and when I come home. The L shaped nipple wrench and cleaning rod both fit into my havresack with no inconvenience.
    As to warm water, no, use water as hot as you can stand it. When I first joined the Canadian Army we used the Bren gun. We cleaned the barrel with boiling water. This cleared the residue and the heat helped the barrel cool without rusting. We would of course lubricate after.
    Water is effective in cleaning black powder. I was caught in a heavy rain and my pistol was saturated causing the powder to pour out like India ink. When I went to clean the cylinder before reloading, the residue squirted out like ink from a fountain pen. It took longer to clean the residue from my hands than from the pistol.

    Erik Simundson
    Erik Simundson

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    • #17
      Re: Period Revolver Cleaning help

      In today's military, at least in my branch of service, new military manuals aren't produced if a manufacturer's guide is already available. Seems to me that the same could have been true for weapons during the period. I've found that boiling water works fine for field cleaning both my long arm and my pistol, but I do oil it lightly after cleaning it with water. I've oiled it with bacon grease in field conditions.
      Larry Morgan
      Buttermilk Rangers

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      • #18
        Re: Period Revolver Cleaning help

        Mr. Simundson: What does the cleaning rod from the book you mentioned look like?

        Maybe there are some Indian Wars accounts that deal with cleaning ...
        Bene von Bremen

        German Mess

        "I had not previously known one could get on, even in this unsatisfactory fashion, with so little brain."
        Ambrose Bierce "What I Saw of Shiloh"

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        • #19
          Re: Period Revolver Cleaning help

          Hallo!

          There is....

          I will put up some R & D tomorrow on the advent of pistol cleaning rods shortly aftter the CW. that adopted pistol cleaning rods and also mandated one per gun. (Late, but of interest, reflecting on the military's combination of actring onproblems or "codifying' practices thart were already in the field. NOT saying either, just looking at two processes.).

          It is still my theory that the expectation was that the issued "L" tools that were a combination a screwdriver and cone wrench were intended to be used in scraping chambers and/or pushing patches or tow strips through the chambers. (If there are no records of contracts, orders, or issuances of anything else, it "stands to reason" as a hypothesis, IMHO...)

          Curt
          Curt Schmidt
          In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

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          • #20
            Re: Period Revolver Cleaning help

            Hallo!

            First, I am just sharing in the Spirit of the Question, and NOT advocating the theory or hobby practice of using later things "back dated."

            But I will say that it is hard, until research is found, to have to try to fill in gaps and holes when we need things or practices for Reenacitng or Living Hisotry and we just do not have them (at the moment/time).
            (Such as when we used a WWI manual to roll CW greatcoats, or xeroxed/cut/pasted CW items onto a WWI-ish era manual page on how to lay our a locker for Inspection.)

            But as Post War History goes... problems with the CW led to changes. Shortly after the War, they adopted the concept of "wiping rods." IMHO, I think that is important to CW lads because it speaks to CW not having wiping/cleaning rods- and would support the hypothesis that the "L" and "J" tools were intended to be used.

            Anyways, each and every handgun issued was to be issued with a rod. And the first interesting fall-out from that was with the 1871/1872 changes that called for the "pistol holster" to have a "leather pipe" for the cleaning rod. Watervliet Arsenal made them up, using what appears to be a modfied 1863 holster design with a wiping rod tube formed by using a long narrow rectangle of leather folded and sewn at the seam attached by two rivets to the fold of the body of the holster.

            There were a number of variations to the steel or brass rods, but they tend to fairly similar with lengths of a little over 11 inches with a circular looped "handle" at one end and a slot for patches at the other. (With the intent of it being long enough to go through the barrel and into the chambers...)

            It did not not last long there, as complaints against the 1872 swivel holster saw the rod pocket deleted with the 1874/1875 patterns.

            Anyways, talking Post War...

            Curt
            Last edited by Curt Schmidt; 12-24-2011, 02:26 PM.
            Curt Schmidt
            In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

            -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
            -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
            -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
            -Vastly Ignorant
            -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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            • #21
              Re: Period Revolver Cleaning help

              It's the little things that count, Danke!
              Mike McGee
              Cure All Mess ~ Hard Case Boys
              Co A, 4th Tennessee Infantry Regiment "The Shelby Greys"
              Co C, 25th Regiment, Indiana Infantry


              Pvt. Francis "Frank" Agee- G, G, G-Uncle
              Co H, 22nd Tennessee Infantry Regiment
              KIA Battle of Shiloh-April 6, 1862
              Resting in Peace on that Hallowed Ground

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