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    Many years ago in the course of research for my saddle books I came across the artifact pictured below. A Confederate carbine sling made of Spanish Moss. The owner told me he got the sling on a trade with the carbine (a “Confederate marked” cut down Belgian musket) many years before but could not tell me much more about it. As accoutrements were not the focus of my effort at the time I did not give it any more thought. Yet, I did have the good fortune to get the one photograph of it. The owner soon thereafter died and the artifact was subsequently launched into obscurity. In spite of my best efforts to find it now it has never been seen again.
    For quite some time I have been working on an article entitled, THE CONFEDERATE ISSUE CAVALRY CARBINE SLING that is now awaiting publication at a popular Civil War periodical. When I sat down to work on the carbine sling article I, of course began to study my one photograph of this unique artifact. My previous research on the Confederate Spanish Moss saddle blanket told me that this native grown Southern product was used for stuffing furniture, mixing with plasters and mortar and, made into other items including components of horse equipment, clothing and belts! I learned that in the 18th and 19th centuries the use of Spanish Moss products was akin to a poor man’s leather. I must add here that while I have found miles of documentation in the Confederate record on the manufacture and use of Spanish Moss blankets and mats I have never seen any written word on their making carbine slings of this material. But, throughout all of my years of gathering primary documentation I NEVER looked for it either.
    A study of this photo provided me some speculative observations. Most noteworthy was the iron frame buckle. Similar hand forged buckles have occasionally been dug in CS sites. Being a hopeless “hardware junkie” and having observed and obtained several of these over the years I discovered a common appearance and interestingly, an interior width that exactly corresponds to the ordnance manual’s prescribed width for carbine sling buckles (albeit in brass so one has to accept forged iron as a Confederate expediency). With the exception of artillery harness breeching and hip straps (where horse shoe shaped buckles would be more likely) their two and one half inch width (and frame appearance) do not readily correspond to any other piece of equipment “except” for carbine slings.
    From my previous research I know that the Confederacy made saddle blankets/mats and artillery horse collars of Spanish Moss and, I know that other accoutrements were made of other expediencies such as folded and enameled cloth so, despite this one photograph I can only speculate about the possibilities of the South making carbine slings of Spanish Moss. It seems possible that some were made. Perhaps the arsenals made a few or more likely, some were contract made as were many Confederate articles. At any rate, while admitting any provenance is, at best circumstantial, here is something I have been experimenting with....Spanish Moss carbine slings.
    Through the uncommon skill, dedication, labor and graciousness of Dawn Klug (who makes the repro Confederate Spanish Moss blankets and mats for Glen Pier Depot), I tried my hand at reproducing this carbine sling. The first is a copy of the original moss carbine sling. It should be noted that my repro has hand forged buckles (courtesy Doug Kidd) and a “keeper” like the original. I am not sure of the purpose of the keeper but some experimentation while on horseback may provide the answer. The second is a Spanish Moss reproduction of the web carbine sling worn by the Texas private pictured in EOG, the Confederacy, Page 147. On it, I used reproduction English import “London” leather (courtesy David Jarnagin) for the billets, chapes, etc. In both cases I used a Federal link strap snap hook and a portion of a snaffle bit for the sling hook.
    I post these here for “kicks” and comments.


    Ken R Knopp
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    Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

    Ken,
    Are these going to avaliable for sale and what are the chances of me getting one as well as I am going to be selling a few of the original saddles soon send me a pm I would like to here from you.
    Ethan Harrington
    Critter Co.
    ethan harrington

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    • #3
      Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

      Ken,

      How did you attach the link strap hook to the snaffle? I would think that just snap hooks would have been used. Where would all the link strap snaps come from? Where did they all come from?

      Jon O'Harra
      Heartless Bastards Mess
      Jon O'Harra
      Heartless Bastards Mess

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      • #4
        Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

        Could the Texas cavalryman shown at the bottom of page 147 of EOG, (Confed.) be wearing a sling with a similar snaffle/hook attachment?

        (Sorry, having just re-read Ken's post.., it is!) :embaresse
        Last edited by Linkstrap; 03-04-2008, 03:53 PM. Reason: Picking up dropped ball!
        Jim Smith, Volunteer Co., (UK)

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        • #5
          Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

          Mrs. Terry Lawson was working on or relaying info as to getting moss blankets made. I wonder if this same person/persons she was working with could also make the material for slings? It might open up other avenues for moss type items.
          Barry Bowden

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            Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

            Barry,

            Dawn Klug produces the base materials for all these efforts--from the grand blankets she is spinning and weaving, to the ginned fibers that she sent me to play with.
            Terre Hood Biederman
            Yassir, I used to be Mrs. Lawson. I still run period dyepots, knit stuff, and cause trouble.

            sigpic
            Wearing Grossly Out of Fashion Clothing Since 1958.

            ADVENTURE CALLS. Can you hear it? Come ON.

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            • #7
              Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

              Originally posted by Spinster View Post
              Barry,

              Dawn Klug produces the base materials for all these efforts--from the grand blankets she is spinning and weaving, to the ginned fibers that she sent me to play with.
              Thanks Terri. After reading the post I backtracked and found where she was weaving the moss and making it available. I did not realize how labor intensive it is to create a working material. At some point I would like to get some and see for myself how well it wears as a horse blanket. But, if Ms. Klug could make it available for folks to use as belts and the like (properly documented of course) then it could be an additional revenue source for her.

              A question comes to mind - was spanish moss used in earlier time periods? I am thinking specifically your other persona at the fort.
              Barry Bowden

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              • #8
                Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

                Originally posted by bqbowden View Post
                ...........I did not realize how labor intensive it is to create a working material. .............A question comes to mind - was spanish moss used in earlier time periods? I am thinking specifically your other persona at the fort.
                Yes, it was a common construction material in those areas 'below the fall line'. As to other uses---one of the most fascinating things I found was as Dawn and I compared the weave structure of various original items, including a small dug piece I have.

                While some moss items are obviously woven on a harness loom, some samples are 'twined'--a methodology that requires only a few sticks, not a large weaving loom. This weaving method was common in 17th and 18th centuries, especially in Native populations, and may also have some sources tracing back to Africa (the line gets a bit blurry on some of this stuff).

                Right about the time the bottom fell out of funding for Alabama Historical Commission sites several years ago, we had just begun the process of building retting piles down at the Fort, for the purposes of spinning and weaving moss. As staff positions were cut, and funding decreased for transporting prison labor that does much of the site maintenance ( including raking up all that moss) that project fell by the wayside.

                So, yes, its certainly a valid 18th century useage as well.

                The sheer amount of labor involved in these things is phenominal though. It takes Dawn right around a week to produce one blanket. The production rule of thumb on all this is : It takes seven hand spinners to keep a weaver busy. It takes seven hand carders to keep a spinner busy. Dawn is using converted wool processing equipment to do this work--essentially the same stuff you've seen me use. While finding a source to purchase the ginned baled moss was a fabulous find, that's analogous to me paying those nice ladies up in Minnesota to wash and card fleece for me---from that point, I've still got 2 1/2 days in the spinning to make a good pair of socks, and several more days in the knitted. Not counting dyepot time.
                Last edited by Spinster; 03-07-2008, 01:52 AM.
                Terre Hood Biederman
                Yassir, I used to be Mrs. Lawson. I still run period dyepots, knit stuff, and cause trouble.

                sigpic
                Wearing Grossly Out of Fashion Clothing Since 1958.

                ADVENTURE CALLS. Can you hear it? Come ON.

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                • #9
                  Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

                  On the Cavalry Forum, Dave Myrick asked the valid question that given there is (to my knowldege anyway) only one known original sling made from the Spanish Moss, how prevalent were they? His fear was whether reenactors use of such an item was somewhat "akin to reproducing the (dreaded) jaguar trousers based on one single photo". An excellent point that I thought warranted some thought and a response here too.
                  Let me clearly state that I have no documentation for their common manufacture or issue and I am not suggesting that they were common (nor am I advocating their widespread use among reenactors). The fact is, I do not know how common they were. The surviving Confederate arsenal records and correspondence that I have usually only lists carbine slings with little or no specifics made of any kind including leather, web, Spanish moss or whatever.
                  While my article will go into greater detail, clearly the first “rush to war” carbine slings varied greatly. Later, while a bit different east vs western Confederacy, early war contractor’s production records sometimes note carbine slings made apparently similar to the Federal patterns (as far as I can tell anyway) with brass hardware but, this was apparently short lived (Soon, brass had other more important purposes such as percussion caps, cannon and gun parts). Far more clear is that slings were made in different widths (hardware and likely other materials) at this time too. Later in the war, arsenal “stores” records usually make no differentiation at all. There is no mention at all of appearance, materials or, whether or not they were Confederate made or Federal slings picked up from the battlefield and reissued as was sometimes the case.
                  Having said all of that however, I do not think one can draw an accurate analogy of the Spanish Moss slings to the (excruciatingly long post on) jaguar skin trousers. Unlike Spanish moss, jaguar skins were a by product of a relatively rare hunted animal and therefore its availability, in any case, would be severely limited to the masses and certainly as a issue item.
                  Spanish Moss however, grew everywhere in the deep south. Much, much more widespread in fact, than it is seen today (due to a blight which obliterated much of it in the early 20th century). Like the “mother of invention” people learned creative ways to adopt it. Spanish moss became a very popular facilitator to many useful applications. In addition to being used in mortar and as stuffing for furniture it was spun and woven (or braided) into many forms and civilian usages including bridles, reins, girths, saddle blankets, horse collars, belts and some types of clothing including the tops of shoes. It was quite obviously a common economic alternative to more expensive leather- at least in some regions of the south. Like other expediencies appropriated by Southern manufacture- varmit hides replacing cow hide for civilian leather, cloth replacing leather in military accoutrements and saddles, linseed oil replacing varnish, fish oil eeking out linseed oil, iron replacing brass, carpet used for saddle blankets, etc., etc. this would be a more natural and easier adaptive measure.
                  Until more research can be done, in my opinion, the possible use of Spanish moss carbine slings by the Confederacy is more akin to the cotton web carbine sling. There is no question the Confederacy experienced sporadic leather shortages and it is known that cotton webbing was both imported and made domestically in the South as a replacement. I have seen various references to web being used to make “accoutrements” in CS correspondence. For example, it is known, some cartridge box belts (Hughs Pendegrass & Snows made some) and canteen slings were made of web material. I also have documentation of web bridles and reins being made for the Confederacy. While I have no specific record of carbine slings being made of web I suggest that its not a big step to go from cartridge box belts to carbine slings. I also note that there is at least one photo of a CS soldier wearing a web carbine sling (the Texas trooper in EOG) and I now of at least one web sling (with a British snap hook sewn into it) in a private collection. So, does that mean that web carbine slings were made and/or used? Well, given what I understand about Confederate manufacture I would say- “yes” (with the above qualifiers). But in what numbers, where, by whom, no one can yet say. I could be wrong but in my opinion I would venture that it was not in significantly large numbers. More of an anomaly.
                  In summary, in my opinion, I think this would likely be the same with the Spanish moss carbine slings but to a somewhat greater degree (that is, even less in real numbers).

                  Ken R Knopp

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                    Re: Spanish Moss Carbine Slings...

                    I agree, with Mr.Knopp and to the overuse of this product in the reenactor area How mutch authentic confederate calvery is out there today that would actually be in the market for one and only use it in specific campaigns and not part of a standard kit. Just my two cents worth.

                    Ethan Harrington
                    Critter Co.
                    ethan harrington

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