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  • Art'y Cartridge Bag "Sleeves" ?

    Gents -

    Need some information on paper sleeves and caps for artillery cartridges.

    This question is spurred by a presentation given by Al Preston and Jeremiah Hornbaker at Old Bedford Village, Bedford, PA in spring of 2006.
    (I do not have contacts for them, nor could I find them in the AC contacts list)

    They quoted and displayed reproductions of a two part paper wrapper used for shipping and identifying artillery cartridges.

    LO and BEHOLD they WERE in the 1861? ordnance manual.
    The first is a rectangular piece that went around the body and tied and the second is a "cap" that is cinched and tied into a blossom much like musket cartridges would be that was then placed on the end of the cartridge bag.
    They are in the manual and specs. and manufacture are described.

    HOWEVER,
    1. A color coding system was mentioned to easily identify types of projectiles. (ie: shot had one color, shell another, case shot yet another)
    Where can this color system be found? It wasn't in the manual?

    2. Did these paper protectors see any use during the war? Are there surviving originals or has any one seen first person documentation of their mention?
    OR were they possibly removed by the chief of caissons or ordnance personnel before being placed into caissons and/or limber as they would have been an additional step that would then have to be dealt with at the limber?

    My thanks in advance for any input!

    Your obedient servant,

    Chris Sedlak
    Iron City Guards aka
    Battery G - 1st PA Light
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    Christopher Sedlak
    Iron City Guards
    (1st PA Light Art'y- Bt'y G / 9th PA Res. - Co. C)
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    Re: Art'y Cartridge Bag "Sleeves" ?

    Chris -

    The color coding is at the top of page 277:

    "The caps for shells are stained black; for spherical case shot, red; for shot, not colored."

    As for surviving examples, I have not seen any.
    Greg Forquer
    1st (Statehouse) Ohio Light Artillery, Btty A
    30th OVI, Co. B

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      Re: Art'y Cartridge Bag "Sleeves" ?

      Many thanks once again.
      I will have to look at page 277.
      I looked and looked and looked and looked :)
      I sure do need my interpreter!

      Chris Sedlak
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      Christopher Sedlak
      Iron City Guards
      (1st PA Light Art'y- Bt'y G / 9th PA Res. - Co. C)
      [B][FONT="Arial"][I]"Sole purveyor of the finest corn silk moustaches as seen in the image above, adhesive not included"[/I][/FONT][/B]

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        Re: Art'y Cartridge Bag "Sleeves" ?

        Greg,
        Found PART of my problem...
        I have the 1850 Ordnance Manual and it does NOT specify any colors for caps and sleeves as far as I can find upon revisiting it.
        It DOES specify sizes and construction.
        Gibbon's Artillerist Manual also has the same instructions as the Ord. Manual, but again doesn't cite any specific colors.

        Thank you for the information from the '61 Manual. If you remember, bring it next time we expect to battery together, as I'd like to look at it.

        Chris Sedlak
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        Christopher Sedlak
        Iron City Guards
        (1st PA Light Art'y- Bt'y G / 9th PA Res. - Co. C)
        [B][FONT="Arial"][I]"Sole purveyor of the finest corn silk moustaches as seen in the image above, adhesive not included"[/I][/FONT][/B]

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          Re: Art'y Cartridge Bag "Sleeves" ?

          Howdy Chris!

          The '61 Ordnance Manual is handy, but I always double-check any question with the '63 OM as well. It helps to give a better sense of how things were actually done during the Rebellion since common practices done in the field were oft times incorporated in the re-issue. Very often no change has been added, but there are a few eye-openers once in a while . . .

          FYI - The colors appear on page 263 in the 1863 manual.

          As for any extant originals of cylinders or caps, I have only ever had the fortune of admiring one, and that from a 12pdr spherical-case. Alas! It was post-war (1872-ish, if memory serves), so it could not be used to establish a definitive answer as to what a war-time example would look like. :( It was, however, a lovely deep red color very similar to the old penny wrappers we used so many years ago.

          Glads to hear about the arrival of your bronze gal - Congratulations!
          Mark A. Pflum
          Redleg and unemployed History Teacher
          Member:
          CMH
          AHA
          Phi Alpha Theta (MU XI Chapter)

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