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  • Limber Markings?

    Gents,
    An AC search of limber markings and limber stencils proved NO results.

    I have seen three images now of Napoleon? limbers marked with stenciling on the ammunition box.

    Image one is in "Civil War Album - Complete Photographic History of the Civil War" edited by William C. Davis and Bell I. Wiley on page 453. It shows a limber with a wheel missing and cartridges strewn about with a sole dead horse near the limber pole. On the box is stenciled "Light 12 Pdr Gun." It is in the Gettysburg section of the book, but one can't say for sure without further evidence this was at Gettysburg...

    Image two is in a book called "Field Artillery of the American Civil War" edited by Katcher. Its a cheesy little book for beginners, with many errors, but has a negro soldier standing guard over a Napoleon with a limber attached and the SAME markings as above.

    Image three was recently posted on the AC under "Odd Couples" 1/7/2007, by
    Bob Williams, Pinetops Mess, 1st NC Arty .
    It shows a slight variation of this marking, albeit attached to a Parrott Gun which was the initial reason for post. This image shows a stencil saying "12 Pdr Gun."


    THE QUESTIONS:

    Is this stencilling mentioned anywhere in the manuals or regs that anyone has found?

    Would the limber ammunition boxes be switched out often enough or at all that would warrant stencilling the ammunition type on them? OR was the limber box pretty much permanent to that gun and kind of became a "home" box for that detachment?

    Are there any other photos of these stencils out there that we know of?

    OF PECULIAR NOTE, is the ammunition box on display downstairs at the NMP museum at Gettysburg... it has stencils to a SPECIFIC UNIT on it.. the Excelsior Brigade, Third Battery if I remember correctly. How common was this?
    Are there any other photo or first person accounts of units stencilling their boxes?

    Thanks in advance.

    Your obedient servant,
    Chris Sedlak
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    Christopher Sedlak
    Iron City Guards
    (1st PA Light Art'y- Bt'y G / 9th PA Res. - Co. C)
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    Re: Limber Markings?

    Ammunition chests were labeled for the type of gun they were for, a 12pdr uses different ammo then a 12 pdr 1857(light gun) or a 12 pdr howitzer. Out side dimensons of ammunition chests were the same, interior arrangements and type differed with each gun. In action the gun is served from the cassion first so that when empty it may return to the Park for more ammo, the procedure is to remove and replace entire chests not to refill them from packing crates thus the labels on the out side to remove confusion. If a chest had ammo in it it was called an ammunition chest if it carried tools etc for the wagon and forge it was called a limber chest. The 1861 manual does not mention the size and type of lettering but there must have been a standard as stencil cutters for letters are required inventory in field park battery wagons.
    Though it is likely that the gun limber ammunition chest would stay with the gun longer then the other three chests it would have been changed out frequently as well.
    Last edited by tmattimore; 01-09-2007, 08:05 AM.
    Tom Mattimore

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    • #3
      Re: Limber Markings?

      I had looked in the 1851 Ordnance Manual also, found it online and on page 260 it states (for ammunition boxes, differing from the chests) that the would be marked on each end, similar to small arms ammunition. I could not find a specific reference to Limber/Ammunition chest markings other than the physical configuration of the interior of the chest.

      S/F

      DJM
      Dan McLean

      Cpl

      Failed Battery Mess

      Bty F, 1st PA Lt Arty
      (AKA LtCol USMC)

      [URL]http://www.batteryf.cjb.net[/URL]

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      • #4
        Re: Limber Markings?

        Chris -

        Checked the '51, '61, and '63 CS manuals and Gibbon....nothing written chapter and verse, with the exception of what Dan just came back with.

        Judging from images I've seen, while the general style and size of the stencil appears similar, I have seen some slight variatons.

        You may want to call Marshall Steen, Cannon Ltd., or Historical Ordnance Works to see if they can steer you towards the correct source.

        Can't remember where, but there is also an image of an infantryman with a field altered sack coat standing in front of some guns and limber chests. There is stenciling of some sort that also reads Harpers Ferry, VA at the bottom side of the trail, adjacent to the lunette. I'll see if I can't track it down.
        Greg Forquer
        1st (Statehouse) Ohio Light Artillery, Btty A
        30th OVI, Co. B

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        • #5
          Re: Limber Markings?

          At least some had US on them, as this close up of Federal chests at Fair Oaks, VA illustrates. Interesting topic.
          Last edited by roundshot; 04-28-2007, 02:35 PM.
          Bob Williams
          26th North Carolina Troops
          Blogsite: http://26nc.org/blog/

          As [one of our cavalry] passed by, the general halted him and inquired "what part of the army he belonged to." "I don't belong to the army, I belong to the cavalry." "That's a fact," says [the general], "you can pass on." Silas Grisamore, 18th Louisiana

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