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    Im currently reading "Three Years in the Confederate Horse Artillery" by George Neese

    I great book full of day to day details such as weather and surroundings that usually go un reported one strange entry is this:

    "August 25 (1862) The sharpshooters were firing at each other across the river all night, The Yanks made three attempts last night to burn the bridge but our sharpshooters drove them back every time.
    This morning the Yanks on the hill near the bridge were firing swivels at us. A swivel is a species of young cannon light, and mounted on a tripod that looks
    spmething like a surveyors compass. The barrel is fixed on a swivel or turning point. The ones the Yanks fired at us this morning threw a shot about the size of a walnut . However I did not see any of them. I judge the size only by the keen whiz they made as they sped past us. I wonder what these Pope Yanks will try on us next- shoot a blacksmith shop or a buzz saw at us I except. This forenoon we moved back to our wagons , about three miles from Waterloo bridge. When we left , the sharpshooters were still firing at one another across the river. In comming back to camp we passed some of General Hill's infantry going toward the bridge . This evening we cooked three days rations."

    This is a first for me Ive never read of swivel guns being used by land forces, Ive always considered them a ship feature. After all, what use is a small caliber round against artillery in the field? ( and I assuming here: Ive never come across any sort of anti personel round for these other than loading them with fragments ) Ive read of 'moutain howitzers' and the smaller 'mountain rifle' used against hard targets like train boilers ect. but a swivel gun in the field? anyone else out there ever read of these lil nautical 'pocket pistols' being used by land troops?
    Gary Mitchell
    2nd Va. Cavalry Co. C
    Stuart's horse artillery

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    Re: Swivel guns on land?

    For a rapid gun there could be none better. The barrels normally only weigh 75-100 pds and if mounted on a collapsible tripod it coul dbe stowed on a horse or tossed into a wagon and moved easier than any other form of artillery. Like you suspect though, it'd really be more of a psychological weapon than anything really dangerous to the enemy. A well-aimed shot could send a ball through several men or horses, or damage equipment like field artillery, but it'd be best suited as an emergency anti personnel defense weapon. Loaded with several sub-caliber balls, or even nails, it could fend of a small attack. I've never read of their use on land either. They probably were not used often.

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    • #3
      Re: Swivel guns on land?

      This from the OR's.....

      Greenville, S.C., August 16, 1863.

      Maj. C. D. MELTON:

      MAJOR: Lieutenant Elliott and Sergeant Pool report that they were twice fired on last week in the mountains of Greenville while quietly riding in the road engaged in a reconnoitering expedition to ascertain the whereabouts of certain bands of deserters. They further report that a heavy log building northeast of Greenville Court-House, located in the vicinity of Gowensville, has been loop-holed and prepared for defense. Serious depredations upon the property of loyal citizens have been perpetrated within the last few days by prowling bands of deserters who are constantly on the increase. A number have arrived this last week from the Twenty-second South Carolina Regiment, who have walked across the country from Augusta.

      I have ordered Captain Hawthorne to make a requisition on you for powder, shot, and buckshot and to report at these headquarters to take command of a detachment of conscripts which I am now engaged in detailing and getting ready to suppress this lawlessness and secure the deserters. You will please furnish him some forty or fifty rounds of the same for double-barreled shotguns to the number of forty. Nothing but prompt and determined action can save us from ruin in the mountains of Pickens, Greenville, and Spartanburg. I have ordered Captain Hawthorne to bring a swivel or 6-pounder to demolish a block-house. There is nothing left for us now but a determined front and to fight it out. By demolishing this building we may save the effusion of blood and so alarm these lawless men as to drive them out of the country and back to their duty. I deeply deprecate the necessity, but there is no alternative.

      I am, with great respect, &c.,

      JNO. D. ASHMORE,
      Maj. and Chief Enrolling Officer, Fifth Cong. Dist. of S.C.
      Greg Forquer
      1st (Statehouse) Ohio Light Artillery, Btty A
      30th OVI, Co. B

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      • #4
        Re: Swivel guns on land?

        I know swivel guns were used alot in defending fortifications. They can fire a small cannon ball or act like a huge shotgun with death coming out the mouth!
        Drew Ingram
        7th NJ CO A
        2nd Battalion
        6th Marines
        WIA: FALLUJAH, IRAQ

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        • #5
          Re: Swivel guns on land?

          Well, I can certainly understand someone using a swivel - prossibly acquired from a pre-war militia unit. What doesn't make sense is the tripod mount. Even a small swivel has a pretty good recoil. The first discharge would almost certainly dismount the gun and destroy the tripod. In the 18th century, land-based swivels used yokes mounted into stumps, etc. to absorb the recoil. Even when mounted on small boats, the swivel mounts had to be heavily reinforced to handle the cannon's discharge. (Check out the gunboat, Philadelphia, when the Smithsonian reopens to see what I mean). Of course, I'm assuming a tripod similar to those used with aiming circles. Maybe it's something entirely different.
          James Brenner

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          • #6
            Re: Swivel guns on land?

            Well thanks folks it was sure a 'new one' on me! I can see some advantages but for my part I'd take a 6 pdr over that pop gun:D and Im wondering too just how recoil was handled on a tripod set up.???? war is another "mother of invention"!
            Gary Mitchell
            2nd Va. Cavalry Co. C
            Stuart's horse artillery

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