150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

[Forrestcavalryman]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

Let us use this as a recruiting oportunity. Put on our best show so that when they see us, they will say"Wow! I want to ride with those guys!"

Aggreed! hat's how Mark and the 7th Tennessee got me hooked on joining!

[BigD]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

When I first started this hobby as a Federal Infantryman, I joined a unit in Texas that I guess one would call Mainstream today. I thought that our unit was really authentic, now as i return to the hobby, I look back at myself then and laugh at how FARB I was. If there was a unit like most on this site, I would have realized it sooner and worked hard to improve my impression. I looked at the 7th TN website and it is impressive!

Dennis DeAtley

[csabugler]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

This is excellent news indeed. Mark Choate is too fine and humble of a man to tell how much effort has gone into this, and how much he and Ronnie Fullwood contributed to it's success. So I will say on his behalf that this will be an incredible opportunity that was plucked from the jaws of failure on more than one occasion. I plan to support this, if my advancing age allows it, and suggest all who are WILLING to meet the authenticty standards do the same. If we will put HALF the effort into this that others have already, it will be unfrogettable. I ask that we accept that things will not be perfect, and not mire this down with too much thumping of our own authentic chests. Ken Knopp will set real and achievable standards, and I will do whatever I can to help embrace and enforce them.

Mark, keep me posted on the site ride if you want company for it, I will try to oblige

Pete the Bugler

[IowaYank]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

Whoops.
Lance Stifle.
AKA Kim Stewart-Gray
Born 10-06-1952.
Confirmed Hereosexual.
(Is there anything else I need to list to keep the moderators off my back???)

Hahaha, have you come up with your own classification system Lance?? Do I want to ask what would entail being Hereosexual?? ;)

[Mark Choate]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

My thanks to all of you for the comments but I just want us to have a quality event to attend that will be worth your time, effort and money and that will give honor to what those cavalrymen did in April of 1862. I am downplaying some of this as it really is starting to look like an incredible opportunity. Perhaps we are reaping the good from having dealt with all of the political b.s. for the past year, ha.

Oh, and Dan I am glad that you questioned Kim on his new classification. I wondered about that, too. :wink_smil

regards,
Mark

[Mark Choate]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

Gentlemen,

I am happy to present to you the Cavalry authenticity guidelines that will be used at the recently announced adjunct of the 150th Shiloh event for next March/April, 2012. I am very appreciative to Ken Knopp for creating these guidelines and Ken has also volunteered to serve as "Inspector" (as well as Adjutant) for the event and will be inspecting everyone's gear and impression prior to cast off.

Let me say at this juncture that these are strict guidelines and in some noted areas, there will be no allowance of variance. In some others, we ask that all of you aim toward them as best as is possible and Ken's discretion will rule. Unlike our Camp of Instruction back in March, which was a training effort to bring more troopers to a higher level of accuracy, this is a true attempt to recreate these particular units and all participants will be expected to step up to these guidelines.

If, after reading these, you still have particular questions as to what will and will not be accepted, Ken has graciously offered to serve as a sounding board and encourages all who have questions to email him at krk1865@bellsouth.net and he will help you, prior to the event.

So, without further comment, I submit to you the Auth Guidelines of Forrest's Cavalry and the 11th Illinois Cavalry, to be used at the adjunct of Shiloh 150:

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CS Cavalry

FORREST’s CAVALRY AT SHILOH By Ken R Knopp

In the fall and winter of 1861-62 Forrest’s Cavalry was organizing (soon to be the 3rd Tennessee) and adding companies of men from Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky and eslewhere. Each company was originally locally outfitted with such clothing, arms and equipment as could be obtained from home or issued them from nearby depots. For example, the Alabama contingent (three companies from Gasden, New Market and Montgomery) would have such arms as brought from home as well as early issue arms & equipments via the Montgomery Depot; the Tennesseans from the ample manufacturing facilities and stores in Memphis while the Kentucky men (Boone Rangers and others) were also largely outfitted at Memphis.
Distinguishing themselves at Sacramento Ky and of course, their well known escape from Ft. Donelson (excepting two companies, D & I, that would never serve again under Forrest) the regiment would have some opportunity to capture Federal arms and equipment in these engagements. Immediately after Ft. Donelson the regiment did exemplary service quelling the riots and securing gov’t stores at Nashville where they most certainly had excellent opportunity to avail themselves of that depot’s numerous stores.
At Shiloh, the regiment was unattached to any brigade, but kept under the direct command of Brigadier General C. Breckinridge. Much of the regiment, under Lieutenant Colonel Kelley, was assigned to the duty of escorting to the rear the Federal prisoners from General B. M. Prentiss' Division. However, Forrest with some of the men spent his time reconnoitering and fighting. After the Confederate retreat Forrest with a squadron of the regiment (and some Mississippians and Texans all numbering about 350 men now under his command), led a brilliant cavalry charge against heavy odds (Falling Timbers) during the withdrawal, in which he was severely wounded.
Utilizing the above information, the arms, accoutrements, horse equipments and clothing noted in the following guidelines are meant to portray the common everyday, average trooper of Forrest’s Regiment (3rd Tenn.) at Shiloh and will also employ the early pattern types known to have been available from the various Confederate depots, civilian as well as Federal captures of that period (LIMITED!!).


GUIDELINES: These volunteer cavalrymen are citizen’s turned soldiers. With solid experience in battle, adapting to camp life and on the march routines and discipline, they were now veterans. Enlisted men’s items are primarily an early war mixture of CS depot issue, civilian and captured Federal arms and equipments- still with a smattering of Dragoon or Militia items. Officers should strive to generally distinguish themselves with finer equipments, clothing and rank insignia.

Horses: “Most” accepted. No Paints, golden Palominos’s, Appaloosa’s, stallions or “kicking” horses. Current health papers and negative coggins “MANDATORY & REQUIRED ON-SITE”.
Saddles: For privates, various western CS issue McClellans and Jenifers or, civilian patterns are best. Black or russet leather. Few Federal captures at this point. *No eastern pattern CS McClellans or Jenifers. Officer’s should ride high quality McClellen’s, Jenifer, Grimsely’s or Texas saddles and employ shabraques or saddle cloths as well as fine bits on their bridles.
Nashville pattern CS McClellans: Saddle nearly identical to the Federal pattern of black and russet leather except without foot stands, D-rings (use “O” rings) and Federal sunk bar buckles (use rollers, and horse shoe buckles). A complete issue set of horse equipments includes halter/bridle, valise, crupper, breast strap, nose bag and saddle blanket. Black or russet leather.
Montgomery pattern Jenifers: Saddle: CS 1st model pattern Jenifer trees only! No “CS” pommel shields or clipped corner plates (an easternANV item)! A complete issue set includes halter/bridle, valise, breast strap, crupper and carbine boot. Black or russet leather.
Pre-war Civilian Saddles: Spanish (and Half Spanish), Somerset, English, Texas, Kilgore, Muley and Wagon saddles.
Federal McClellans accepted (very limited). Try to avoid these!


Saddle Blankets: Spanish Moss is correct and best but unrealistic. Employ civilian wool, cotton, carpet blanket patterns with but a very few Federal pattern blankets.

Breast Straps/Martingales: Civilian patterns or copies of pre-war Dragon patterns acceptable. Use russet or black leather and civilian hardware. NO such thing as a Federal issue breast strap!! ABSOLUTELY NO BRASS HEARTS (except officers). ENFORCED!!

Bridles: Nashville or Montgomery pattern halter-bridles; Confederate pattern three buckle; Civilian patterns with civilian bits; Federal McClellans three and six buckles patterns with M1859 (or use the M1863 if you have no other) Federal bits.

Halters: CS single ring patterns with some Federal captured M1859 patterns.

Valises/Saddle Bags: Valises dominate!! Saddle bags can include large civilian patterns only (or preferably- none at all). Very few Federal M1859 pattern bags. Better to use blanket rolls, valises, carpet bags or poke sacks slung from saddle.

Spurs: CS enlisted, civilian or Federal patterns! Officers at their discretion.

Arms: Shotguns (best!) And still quite common in Forrest’s cavalry; captured Federal arms include US Model 1841 (Mississippi Rifle), M1855 or M1861 Springfields and Enfields are also accepted (NO Sharp’s carbines!)
Civilian: Still very common! Shot guns, Percussion small calibre squirrel/varmit type rifles and, a few smoothbore weapons.

Pistols: Forrest’s regiment had a fair number of pistols (though hardly predominant) at this time from his early war purchases in Kentucky. “If” a trooper had one (most would not) then most pistols would be a Colt Navy or a few captured Colt Army revolvers and even a few single shot pistols. NO Remington or Confederate pistol patterns. NONE! If you have none of the above DON’T carry one! No more than ONE pistol to the trooper.

Sabers: Some sabers in ranks. Pre war patterns and Federal captures. Still a good place and opportunity to breakout that D-Guard and Bowie knives!

Headwear: Civilian Slouch hat (many pinned up on one side), Tricorn and top hats too. Period patterns only. No kepis. NONE! Absolutely NO COWBOY patterns. Strongly enforced! PLEASE! We are trying to set us apart from the Mainstreamers!!

Clothing: Actually, a large amount of military clothing and footwear were probably obtained at Nashville in February- much of it including military pattern jackets and pants- and possibly fairly uniform. However, this is unrealistic. Nevertheless, while military issue would be common civilian clothing was still very prevalent. So, mix and match.
Military: CS Military frock coats and short waisted commutation jackets. Early war Tennessee and militia patterns common. CS issue trousers.
Civilian: Civilian frocks, Coats, sackcoats, period civilian dusters (NOT Australian or cowboy dusters!), period civilian trousers of various kinds and patterns, period overalls, shirts including battle shirts, civilian vests, cravats, etc.

Overcoats: CS issue VERY RARE! So, utilize various civilian patterns, blanket patterns (very common) or Federal greatcoats (limited!) Or, none at all.

Footwear: CS issue footwear, Civilian Boots, civilian shoes or brogans some Federal capture brogans and bootees. Socks of civilian patterns.

Accoutrements: By early 1862 the CS arsenals and depots were putting out a tremendous amount of equipment. Confederate items were often very similar to Federal patterns (arsenals used the 1850's ordnance manuals & guidelines and, were usually run by former Federal officers) often with black (or russet) leather but employing common horse shoe and roller buckles, expedients (wood/lead) or, no hardware at all. We are a western Tennessee regiment. Be thoughtful and creative here. Do some research on Nashville, Montgomery, Memphis depots and, state government patterns. Note: A few, occasional Mexican War patterns or,...none at all. New recruits can use powder horns shot bags, poke sacks (limited!) or, come totally “un-accoutered” which was common too. NO Selma, Atlanta (or other Georgia arsenal) patterns!! Selma and Atlanta were not in operation yet and the other Ga. arsenals are too far away to be suppliers.
Cartridge Boxes: Various CS arsenal infantry patterns. Cavalry patterns were rare to non-existent. Common early war Federal captured patterns acceptable as a second choice.
Cap Boxes: Various CS arsenal cap box patterns. NO pistol boxes!!
Waist and Saber Belts: Saber and waist belts of various Confederate patterns in black or russet leather using roller buckles, horse shoe buckles and even some State emblem brass buckles. Very few Federal saber and waist belts (refrain from using these if possible).

Shoulder (Shot Gun) Slings: CS variants (narrow width), home made (leather or cloth) or occasional Federal pattern of black or russet leather using horseshoe, roller or frame buckles. Note: the Montgomery Depot issued a large number of Federal type black leather slings with brass buckles and tips but with unknown types of hooks. Use your Federal sling but with a CS or home made snap hook.

Canteen:
Civilian: Wooden or early copper patterns.
Confederate: Wooden or Confederate drum canteens.
Federal: Some....Smoothside wool covered Federal canteen strongly preferred. Federal wool covered bullseye discouraged, but accepted. Uncovered canteens strongly discouraged. Wool cover colors are tan and grey preferred, blue discouraged but accepted.

Blankets: Sleeping blankets....Civilian very much the most common. Includes, Wool, cotton and quilt coverlets. Here is a good opportunity to show your individual persona and taste (or lack thereof). A very few CS patterns and a few Federal patterns accepted.

Satchel/haversack: CS White linen cloth very common or, home made civilian style haversacks or... Federal painted/tarred canvas.

Tentage: none

Groundcloth: Painted, Tarred or oilcloth CS patterns and some Federal patterns. Rubberized ponchos OK but limited.

Nose Bags: Federal or CS issue acceptable. Large numbers (over 8,000) were issued from just one contractor at the Memphis Depot in the fall of 1861. These were copies of the Federal pattern possibly employing russet leather bottoms and/or rope straps.

Curry Combs/Brushes: Federal (any pattern) and CS issue patterns acceptable.

Other Requirements: Tobacco use will only be allowed in period form (pipe or cigar). If you regularly smoke modern cigarettes and must have that modern form of treated tobacco, bring loose cigarette tobacco to smoke in a pipe. No modern cigarettes accepted. Keep modern items, i.e. car key, medicines, contact lens wash, etc., hidden in a poke sack and only take it out discreetly AWAY from the sight of others. No modern eye glasses (period frames only). NO earrings or visible tattoos (Need we say this?)

*For reference articles and photographs for much of the above Confederate clothing, equipment and arms please consult www.confederatesaddles.com or post questions on the Authentic Campaigner Forum... http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/...lry-Discussion

DON'T JUSTIFY YOUR KIT WITH COPIOUS WAR TIME FEDERAL
OR LATE WAR CS ITEMS!
THINK EARLY CONFEDERATE & CIVILIAN.
MIX AND MATCH!!

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US Cavalry

11th Illinois Cavalry Guidelines By Ken R Knopp

• Organized at Peoria, Ill., and mustered in December 20, 1861
. * Duty at Peoria till February, 1862.
• Moved to Benton Barracks, Mo., February 22-March 3, and duty there until March 28.
• Moved to Pittsburg Landing, Tenn, March 25-April 1.
• (1st Battalion to Crump's Landing and joined Lew Wallace's 3rd Division, Army Tennessee.)


Robert G. Ingersoll, of Peoria, and Basile D. Meeks, of Woodford county, obtained permission to raise a Regiment of Cavalry, and recruiting commenced in October 1861. The Regiment was recruited from the counties of Peoria, Fulton, Tazewell, Woodford, Marshall, Stark, Knox, Henderson and Warren.
Recruits commenced going into camp at Camp Lyon, Peoria, about Nov. 1, 1861. Twelve full companies were recruited and mustered into the United States service by Capt. C.B. Watson, of the Fourteenth U.S. Infantry, mustering officer, on Dec. 20, 1861, when they were mounted. They remained at Camp Lyon until Feb. 22, 1862, when they broke camp and marched to Benton Barracks, Mo., where they arrived March 3, and were shortly after armed with revolvers and sabres, one Battalion receiving carbines.
On March 25 the first Battalion, under Maj. Puterbaugh, embarked on a boat, and on the 26th the remainder of the Regiment followed.
The First Battalion landed at Crump's Landing, Tennessee River, April 1, and joined the forces of Gen. Lew. Wallace. The remainder of the Regiment landed the same day at Pittsburg Landing, and camped about two miles from there. On the 4th they were out a short distance on a scout, and their first experience under fire was when the fighting commenced on the 6th. Early on the morning of the 6th the Regiment lost several men in killed and wounded; among the killed was First Lieut. Richard Burns, of Company F.
On the morning of the April 7th Second Lieut. Aquilla J. Davis, of Company H, was wounded and the Regiment met with a severe loss in killed and wounded.


Without clear information to the contrary it appears that at Shiloh most of the regiment was armed with pistols and sabers only. For our purposes, we will portray the 1st battalion of the regiment armed with carbines (Sharp’s).

Guidelines: As we are to portray a new, volunteer cavalry regiment recently outfitted, it is our desire that we present as uniform an appearance as possible. While many of us put on our own personal style and stand out by doing so, it’s our desire to present a proud, early war volunteer regiment that was very uniform in appearance. If you must individualize your impression do it with a shirt or with something that is not part of government issue clothing and equipment. By presenting an early war regiment that is almost entirely uniform we will most accurately portray the 11th Illinois, and will give a very impressive image to all who see us. Without requiring you to go to any great expense to fall in, this is the event where you will want to strive for conformity by making the first item in the list below your first choice. What is listed below is taken from known information of what the 11th Illinois Cavalry had or, looks to regulations if a specific item is not precisely identified or, relies on accounts of what other western Federal cavalry regiments at Shiloh are known to have. Officers should distinguish themselves with high quality and even fanciful equipments. All items are to be of period material and construction. We are a brand new regiment, so be proud and POLISH YOUR BRASS!

Horses: “Most” accepted. No Paints, golden Palominos’s, Appaloosa’s, stallions or “kicking” horses. Current health papers and negative coggins “MANDATORY & REQUIRED ON-SITE”.

Coat: Fatigue Blouse/Sack Coat are very strongly preferred. No frocks or Mounted Services jackets (short waisted AOP type shell jackets) are acceptable. Simply put, you either buy or borrow a sack coat.

Pants: For enlisted men, SKY blue trousers only accepted. No dark blue (except officer as desired) or other color trousers (NO civilian trousers). Sky blue trousers had become the regulation over three months prior. While we have not found a specific reference to sky or dark blue, the quartermaster department in St. Louis was clothing regiments from all the states passing through literally issuing thousands of trousers for three and a half months since the regulation change to sky blue. While no specific color was stated during our research, it is likely that the dark blue trouser stores had been issued and sky blue stores had replaced them three and a half months after the issue of the General Order. In short, to keep expenses low- we are going with the common sky blue pants.
**It is not the intent of the event organizers to require every man to buy a sack coat and a new pair of dark blue trousers to attend. Nevertheless, uniformity is the requirement. So, sky blue is the required color for enlisted trousers and a Federal sack coat is required for the blouse. If you don’t have these then- buy or borrow. Only officers may wear dark blue trousers if desired.

Suspenders/Braces/Belt: Trousers may be held up by either method provided period construction and materials are used.

Underwear: Military issue preferred, civilian or none is accepted.

Hat: Black slouch hats or, undressed Hardee hats ONLY for enlisted men. Period patterns only. Absolutely NO COWBOY patterns. Strongly enforced! Officers may wear an officer’s Kepi or Hardee Hat with only a Jeff Davis eagle pinning up the RIGHT side brim and the hat devoid of all other hat trim is very strongly preferred. If officers choose to fully dress their Hardee hat, they should dress it with all of the proper embroidered insignia. No hat brass for enlisted men.

Shirt: Federal military wool or muslin regulation or contract preferred, civilian cotton accepted.

Socks: Wool preferred, cotton accepted.

Footwear: Military pattern brogans or boots strongly preferred. Bootees or civilian boots accepted. Pegged or sewn.

Spurs: Federal enlisted men patterns only!! No civilian or cowboy patterns. Officers can employ their choice of officer’s patterns if they desire.

Eye glasses: Only period eye wear accepted. Contact lenses are accepted. NO modern eyewear at all.

Arms: Most of the 11th Illinois was armed with a pistol and saber only. One battalion had carbines.
Carbine: M1859 Sharp’s are what they were issued. The Smith's carbine will be allowed. No other carbine or long arm accepted. If you do not have one then carry just your pistol and saber.
Pistol: Colt’s Army or Starr’s ONLY! No Remingtons (none) No Confederate patterns of any kind. NO more than one pistol per trooper and NO additional cylinders (Do we even have to ask this?)
Saber: M1840 Wrist breaker or M1860 patterns ONLY! Officer’s sabers can vary as preferred. No Confederate sabers or swords.

Accoutrements: All leathers black (buff, waxed or bridle leather) Correct period issue hardware.
Saber Belt: M1851 with shoulder strap. The brass US rectangular buckle with applied wreath is the only accepted buckle.
Cap Box: Must be Federal pattern black leather.
Cartridge Box: Federal Sharp’s pattern or if you don’t have one, early infantry patterns acceptable. Early war patterns are preferred for both boxes, late war accepted. Pistol boxes acceptable but not necessary. Officers should wear BLACK leathers of proper period construction.
Carbine Slings: Federal pattern of black leather with brass hardware and regulation snap swivel.

Haversack: Federal pattern Black, tarred/painted of period construction strongly preferred. No Confederate, white canvas or civilian haversacks accepted. None!

Canteen: Smoothside wool covered Federal canteen strongly preferred. Federal wool covered bullseye discouraged, but accepted. Uncovered canteens strongly discouraged. Wool cover colors are tan and grey preferred, blue discouraged but accepted. No Confederate or civilian canteens accepted. None!

Sleeping Blanket: Tan variant, wool Federal strongly preferred. Grey regulation, wool Federal accepted. No Confederate, white British, quilts, or civilian blankets accepted. Plain tan or grey blankets accepted if you do not have a Federal blanket.

Gum Blanket: Federal contract type black rubberized canvas or linen gum blanket with small brass grommets preferred. Black rubberized poncho accepted. Confederate painted, tarred and oiled cloths not accepted. None!

Greatcoat: Regulation Federal mounted (or infantry) sky blue pattern. Officers may wear regulation dark blue if they desire. Confederate or civilian greatcoats/overcoats are not accepted.

Tents: None acceptable. No shelter halves (NOT common this early)

Other Requirements: Tobacco use will only be allowed in period form (pipe or cigar). If you regularly smoke modern cigarettes and must have that modern form of treated tobacco, bring loose cigarette tobacco to smoke in a pipe. No modern cigarettes accepted. Keep modern items, i.e. car key, medicines, contact lens wash, etc., hidden in a poke sack and only take it out discreetly AWAY from the sight of others. NO earrings or visible tattoos (Need we say this?)

Horse Equipments: Federal M1859 patterns from western arsenals and contractors. Most notably St Louis, Chicago and Cincinnati. Black bridle and harness leather with correct japanned bar buckles. NO painted brass buckles or hardware! Absolutely NO mixing of Civilian or Confederate patterns. This will be enforced!

Saddle: M1859 McClellan. Early pattern. Includes hooded stirrups, fenders and (non-spaded D ring). M1859 pattern trees. Includes crupper, coat straps. NO M1904 conversion trees! NO CS McClellans, NO Texas saddles, NO Civilian saddle patterns! NONE! Officer’s should ride modified McClellen’s or Grimsely’s and employ shabraques as well as fine bits on their bridles..

Saddle Bags: M1859 black leather pattern ONLY!! No other acceptable. If you don’t have an M1859 set then go without.

Saddle Blanket: Regulation Grey or Blue with woven “US” and orange stripe. NO civilian patterns, makes, colors or materials. Underpadding acceptable if covered by the saddle blanket.

Bridle: M1859 three or six buckle. Black bridle leather with japanned bar buckles. NO CS/civilian patterns. Officer’s equipments employed fine bits and brass hardware.

Bit: M1859 U.S. patterns (1863 patterns acceptable). Absolutely NO CS or civilian patterns.

Halter: M1859 pattern. Black leather with proper hardware. NO CS/Civilian patterns!

Breast Straps: NOT an issue item!! Period civilian or field made patterns acceptable but we prefer the employment of a surcingle here. ABSOLUTELY NO BRASS HEARTS! ENFORCED!

Surcingles: Blue wool correct pattern.
Nose Bag: Federal issue pattern- Forage sack appropriate too.

Curry Comb/Brush: Only Federal issue war time patterns are acceptable.

*For reference photographs for some of the above Federal clothing, equipment and arms please consult www.confederatesaddles.com or post questions on the Authentic Campaigner Forum... http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/...lry-Discussion

THE 11TH ILLINOIS CAVALRY WAS AN EARLY WAR VOLUNTEER REGIMENT THAT WAS ISSUED VERY UNIFORM EQUIPMENTS. THEY WERE VERY PROUD. PLEASE DON’T DISHONOR THEM
BY MIXING IN CONFEDERATE OR CIVILIAN PATTERNS.

[BigD]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

Thank you Mark and Ken for a lot of Hard work! Now I need to get to work getting some stuff.

[Forrestcavalryman]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

WOW! A whole month early......This is gonna be a fun event.

[Lance Stifle]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

And hat selection PM....now that could take months!

Kim Stewart-Gray
DOB 10-06-1952
Enlisted 20-01-1970
Retired 17-01-2007.

[Lance Stifle]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

Thanks Mark for the Cavalry authenticity guidelines , this is just what I need.

I'll be with you all at Shiloh even if I have to swim the Pacific ocean!

Kim Stewart-Gray
"I am with the South in death, in victory or defeat...I never owned a Negro and care nothing for them,
but these people have been my friends and have stood up to me on all occasions."
Patrick Cleburne 1860.

[ButtermilkRanger]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

The event guidelines from the Confederate perspective sound good as long as they are enforced. I had decided to bow out of the Shiloh event because of the reenactor politics and the mainstream aspect of it, but I might give it a try afterall. It's likely to be our closest national event and a six hour drive is a heck of a lot better than 16 hours for most events. I think the Buttermilk Rangers will bow out of the Phase II part of the operation, however. Most of us don't have a Federal impression and I gave up on bringing two impressions to an event years ago. I guess we'll go hang out at the funnel cake stand or ride the ferris wheel while y'all do Federal. Unless there is a need for civilians or scouts. That we can do.

One final question... what is the command structure likely to be?

[Mark Choate]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

Larry,

The command structure portion is not finalized yet. We have all we can say grace over right now getting the logistics squared away.

Regards,
Mark

[ButtermilkRanger]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

I think we'll probably go ahead and commit to this one. The drive isn't that bad and I can probably field about eight guys or so. Confederate only. We'll just sit out the Phase II portion.

[Paul L Muller]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

Hi Mark; I just want to say that I will plan to attend this event and look forward to prepping for it. I agree with the gentlemen who said that this could be a great oppertunity to show "how it's to be done" to the mainstreamers. Also, To my mind it's more important to be there than not just becouse there will be some mainstream assosiations. Since COI , I have been yerning for another real good cav. event to work towards...so count me in. plm

[Ken Knopp]

Re: 150th Battle of Shiloh - Mounted Cavalry Adjunct!

Gentlemen,

Please allow me this opportunity to ferret out the intent of the standards for this Shiloh adjunct event and the enforcement of the guidelines. First, it must be plainly understood that this is not a mainstream adjunct event. This portion of the Shiloh event is for and by "authentic campaigners". Most are infantry members of this AC site. As such, we- as AC cavalrymen, have been “invited” by them to participate. That means that we as participants, have an inherent obligation to uphold their high standards and intent. The cavalryman that commits to this event willingly accepts this premise or, does not participate and can therefore ride with the mainstream cavalry. Its that simple.
The guidelines have been established to achieve some level of equilibrium to compliment the efforts of our brother AC infantrymen at Shiloh but also to improve the cavalry side of the hobby. The AC troopers that want to do this hobby right by setting themselves apart from the mainstreamers will honor themselves and their peers by making every effort to abide by these guidelines. But please, do not be reluctant to participate. Will everyone be perfect? No. Will some people inadvertently violate these standards? Yes, no doubt. Rest assured, I will not be conducting stitch counts and buckle inspections. I have no desire nor get any satisfaction by being the "history police" (quite the contrary actually). However, these guidelines will be enforced. Blatant, obvious infractions particularly those that deliberately ignore the intent of these standards and bring discredit to the rest of us that have worked hard and spent money to adhere to them, will be quietly invited to excuse themselves to ride with the mainstreamers where they rightfully belong.
The guidelines are just that- “guidelines”. Clear but general. If you are not sure about a piece of equipment, pattern or finish post it here on this forum for discussion. Others may benefit by your question. If you would rather that be done on a private basis then I encourage you to personally contact me or Mark Choate. We are not the “end-all” but would be happy to be of service.

PS: I have always been of the opinion that one of the great joys to be derived from this hobby is in the study, the construction, the planning and preparation for events. In short, it is not in the destination but the journey and the evolution of ones experiences.

Ken R Knopp