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Gary Lee Bradford, Captain
9th Kansas Regiment Volunteer Cavalry, Company F
On patrol of the KS / MO border
[COLOR="#4B0082"]In honor of my great-great uncle, Pvt. Sidney J. Hatch, 7th Tennessee Cavalry (US), Co. D, who died Sept. 23, 1863, at the age of 21. .[/COLOR] -
Re: Saddle on ebay- Confederate?
I am just venturing a guess here with my limited cavalry knowledge. With the high cantle, low swell, and long skirt, this is a European style, maybe Vaquero, saddle. It doesn't appear to be a feasible working saddle, maybe an early show/riding saddle, but I would doubt military or private (working) use in the period. I suppose that it might have been a workable (dress?) saddle (officer use?). Just spit-balling, but it doesn't appear strictly military and I would doubt its use in the War.
-Billy Smothermon
-Barret's Battery, 10th MO Lt ArtilleryBilly Smothermon
Barret's Battery, 10th Missouri Light Artillery
Adjutant, Gen Dandridge McRae Camp #397 SCV
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Re: Saddle on ebay- Confederate?
1832 Artillery Drivers Saddle
Rough shape though. If you end up buying the saddle and want pics of another for reference, I have one as well as the '32 valise saddle (both in extremely nice condition), you are welcome to contact me.
Rae WhitleyRae Whitley
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Re: Saddle on ebay- Confederate?
Or, perhaps..... a very common wagon saddle???!! This pattern goes way back but they still show up in the saddle catalogs as "wagon saddles" as late as the 1890's to 1920. Given its style and materials, hardware, etc. it appears early but how early? Maybe early to mid-19th century? At least not likely the 1920's but one can never be sure. Saddle makers materials, techniques, patterns and styles changed little in the 19th century.
As a person who makes his living in sales but with a long time early career in promotion and advertising I have a distinct appreciation for high quality or unique sales pitches. However, outright fabrications and ridiculously wild assumptions are extremely distastful and worse- dishonest. Consider the following......
"IT WAS VIRGINIA FOUND AND I CAN FIND NO MARKINGS SO I'M GUESSING IT'S CONFEDERATE BUT I DON'T GUARANTEE IT."
Sure!!!... every old "un-marked" saddle found in Va. is "Confederate" .....Sadly, I have seen reputable dealers and collectors use this bogus line. At least he says he doesn't "guarantee" it.
Or.....(this is my personal favorite)...
"IT IS IN GOOD OLD CONDITION AND HAS TWO DIFFERENT WOODEN STIRRUPS-SO IT PROBABLY SEEN ACTION"
"Action"???? Ha!! I am surprised its not an "early Gettysburg Battlefield pickup"!! So much of what is sold today (ebay and by dealers) is from "Gettysburg" or Antietam and, if its cavalry is usually dug or found at Brandy Station.
Maybe by 'action" he means someone "once" rode it? Or, simply changed out the stirrups? I guess we will never know.
I routinely see so much "crap" go for high dollars on ebay simply by saying its "Civil War" or "Confederate" or the aforementioned, "Gettysburg Battlefield pick up". Buyer beware!!!
Educate yourself!.....its cheaper that way. Moreover, not only do you save yourself alot of money by avoiding "junk" but you get to maintain your personal integrity by NOT having to pawn off (er, I mean "re-sell") the crap to the next un-educated fool.
Ken R Knopp
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Re: Saddle on ebay- Confederate?
Here is a picture of the 1832 Art. Driver Saddle with the valise saddle behind it.
Don't mind the blankets.
R. WhitleyRae Whitley
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Re: Saddle on ebay- Confederate?
Hey Ken I think this is what you were talking about. It says it was pcked up at Gettysburg near Culps Hill. Same seller as with the saddle.
Brent Conner
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We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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