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  • #16
    Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

    Originally posted by Stonewall_Greyfox View Post
    so where do we start reading descriptions of the camp and the battle? Paul B.
    Highly intrigued by the prospect of attending the Assault on Allegheny! event in July of the upcoming year, I was inspired to piece together some information, which I found to be interesting, with regard to the battle at Camp Allegheny. What follows are the fruits of the past few hours of my life. I hope you find it interesting as well...

    Excepts from the Official Records, Series 1, Volume 5

    Return of Casualties

    Federal Casualties
    Ninth Indiana: 8 killed, 13 wounded
    Thirteenth Indiana: 2 killed, 23 wounded, 4 missing
    Twenty-Fifth Ohio: 6 killed, 54 wounded, 6 missing
    Thirty-Second Ohio: 2 killed, 10 missing
    Second West Virginia: 2 killed, 7 wounded
    Total: 20 killed, 107 wounded, 10 missing

    In his report of the engagement, Colonel Edward Johnson, Twelfth Georgia Infantry reports that “the citizens who reside upon the roads along which [the Federals] retreated” reported “large numbers of dead and wounded” being “carried from the field” requiring “[t]en or twelve ambulances…” He further reports the capture of “3 prisoners and about 100 stand of arms, which the enemy had thrown away in his flight.”

    Confederate Casualties
    Brigade Staff: 2 killed
    Twelfth Georgia: 6 killed, 37 wounded, 4 missing
    Twenty-Fifth Virginia: 2 killed, 11 wounded, 5 missing
    Thirty-First Virginia: 6 killed, 31 killed
    Fifty-Second Virginia: 2 wounded, 6 missing
    Hansbrough's Battalion: 4 killed, 11 wounded, 13 missing
    Lee's Battery: 1 killed
    Miller's Battery: 1 killed, 4 wounded
    Total: 20 killed, 98 wounded, 28 missing

    Brigadier General Robert H. Milroy, US Army, commanding the District of Cheat Mountain notes in his “Record of Events” that “[t]he number of prisoners captured by [the Federal] forces was 26.” This is countered, however, by Colonel Johnson’s assertion that by the date of his report, December 15, 1861, “[m]any of the [Confederate] missing have returned since the day of the battle.”

    Other interesting tidbits from the various reports regarding the action at Camp Allegheny:

    “December 13, 1861 …This morning our pickets were driven in about 4 a.m. I made preparations to meet the enemy. They appeared in force -- not less than 5,000 men; attacked my right and left. On the right there are no defensive works. On the hill to the left we have hastily thrown up a trench. I have only about 1200 effective men. Four hundred of my men met the enemy on the right flank, and after a severe contest defeated them. On the left, the enemy attacked our intrenchments (sic), but failed to carry them. …[A]fter a contest lasting from 7 a.m. until near 2 p.m., [they were] repulsed with great loss.” -- Colonel Edward Johnson

    “December 15, 1861 …From a sergeant captured I learn that Generals Reynolds and Milroy commanded, and that the expedition was based upon information furnished them by five deserters from Hansborough’s battalion, who left here about a week since. Troops were drawn from Beverly, Huttonsville, and Cheat Mountain. All that they could collect were brought up. The right was guided to our position by a traitor from Northwestern Virginia named Shipman, who is quite familiar with this country. The left was guided by a noted guide and traitor, who lived within 3 miles of this place, named Slater. We had timely warning of their approach, but could not ascertain their numbers before they made the attack. Our works had been suspended in consequence of recent orders. None had been erected before we got here.

    The enemy were totally routed. I hear from citizens on the line of retreat that they carried numbers of dead and wounded by the houses, and acknowledged that they had been badly whipped. They were heard to accuse their officers of deceiving them, insisting that our numbers were largely superior to their own. They were much demoralized, and I hope they received a good lesson.” –Colonel Edward Johnson

    It is the action of the 13th of December, 1861 that causes President Davis to assent “readily and cheerfully” to Secretary of War Benjamin’s suggestion of December 23, 1861 that Johnson “be promoted to the rank of brigadier-general…”

    Lieutenant Colonel Z.T. Connor, Twelfth Georgia, gives us in his report of December 17, 1861, a look at the intensity of the fight noting that at “…about sunrise the firing commenced and was continued without intermission for over two hours, the enemy from their greatly superior force disputing most obstinately every inch of ground.”

    And a view into the rough terrain is given to us by Major A.G. Reger, Twenty-Fifth Virginia, who, in his report notes that “…the enemy were approaching in force on the Greenriver(sic) road… and after.. some time we were ordered to proceed down the Greenbrier road which was done in good order in double-quick time. When some 200 yards’ down the road we were ordered up the hill by the right flank through a thick blockade. The hill being very steep and difficult to ascend, the men became very much scattered.”

    On December 14, 1861, Anson Stager, Superintendent of the Military Telegraph Department reports to the War Department that “General Milroy, with 700 men, met General Johnson, of Georgia, with 2,000, at Alleghany(sic) Camp, West Virginia, yesterday, and after 3 hours’ hard fighting defeated Johnson, with loss 200 killed, including many officers, and 30 prisoners. Johnson burned his camp and retreated to Staunton. Federal loss about 30.” In reality, Johnson writes in his December 15 report that he is “strengthening [the] works” in preparation for further Federal maneuvers against Camp Allegheny.

    Excited for July, I remain, &c.,
    [FONT=microsoftsansserif][SIZE=2]James R. Pfeiffer

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    • #17
      Re: Hunter L.

      Bob,

      Gald to hear you've enlisted Hunter to help. I was interested in putting this together as an event after the Rich Mt. event...it made a very natural connection. I even went so far as to acquire the topo map of the quadrant with the original road marked and e-mailed back and forth regarding possibilities with the National Forest Ranger a couple times. We had discussed it as starting out as a march with our West Virginia state organization during the fall season.

      If I can be of any assistance, let me know and I'll give it a shot.

      Neil Randolph
      1st WV

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      • #18
        Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

        Guys,this my first post on here since becomeing a member. I am a member of 26NCT. I have been up to Camp A at least 3 times and I can tell you this it is the most prestine works that I have seen. The reason I was up there is because my GRGR Uncles were there with the 12th Ga,one dying of measles while there. The crumpled chimmeys from the cabins are still there. I thought about my Uncles being there in all that cold not being used to it. They were from deep South Ga and probably never experienced such weather. Hope that I can find a unit to go up for the event as it is very special to me.
        Michael Godwin
        CoG 26NCT
        Carolina Legion
        Pvt. Michael Godwin
        CoG 26NCT

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        • #19
          Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

          Bob:

          Will the march routes be on the pavement of country lanes?

          Just curious.
          Ley Watson
          POC'R Boys Mess of the Columbia Rifles

          [B][I]"The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely the one who dropped it."[/I][/B]

          [I]Coach Lou Holtz[/I]

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          • #20
            Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

            Ley,

            Only the first mile will be on a paved stretch; after that it's all dirt/packed fine gravel.

            Bob D.
            "If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders."

            George Carlin

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            • #21
              Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

              Originally posted by mg8814 View Post
              I thought about my Uncles being there in all that cold not being used to it. They were from deep South Ga and probably never experienced such weather. Hope that I can find a unit to go up for the event as it is very special to me.
              Michael Godwin
              CoG 26NCT
              Carolina Legion
              Hi Mike,

              Yes, in fact there are period accounts of how much many of the the men stationed there hated the weather. They complained about the cool weather and rain during the summer months, and the extreme cold in the winter. Not surprisingly, the soldiers who complained the most were from the Georgia and lowland regiments (even the lowlander Virginians!). In contrast, the soldiers who were themselves from the mountains didn't seem to mind it at all (probably because they were used to that sort of climate). One of the soldiers from the 37th VA that was stationed there (the regiment my CW ancestors were in) expressed the notion that they were "looking forward to spending the winter..." there on top of the mountain. Hard to imagine.

              Bob D.
              "If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders."

              George Carlin

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              • #22
                Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                Bob,your are right about that. Dooly County,Ga is about as low land as you can get here in South Ga.
                Pvt. Michael Godwin
                CoG 26NCT

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                • #23
                  Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                  Reading the accounts in R.A.T.G of the battles in this location reminded me of the hot Saturday fight after the march during the Port Republic event. However, this time I'm looking forward to being in the fixed position watching the boys in blue bust their hump up and down the mountain side! Also, after reading about how cold it was at Camp Bartow in Nov. and Dec. I'm glad the event is in July.
                  Pards,

                  Jared Byrnes

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                  • #24
                    Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                    How long a march are we looking at? I have been to Camp Bartow and driven up the Turn Pike at least 3 times. Pretty good hike from there to Camp A.
                    Pvt. Michael Godwin
                    CoG 26NCT

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                    • #25
                      Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                      Originally posted by mg8814 View Post
                      How long a march are we looking at? I have been to Camp Bartow and driven up the Turn Pike at least 3 times. Pretty good hike from there to Camp A.
                      The total (US) hike from Traveler's Repose (Camp Bartow) to the Federal camp for Saturday night will be approximately 6.4 miles. The march/fight Sunday morning will be an additional 1.06 miles.

                      The CS troops will be hiking in approximately 2.6 miles from the opposite direction after leaving their Friday night camps. However they will be descending Allegheny at least 2 to 3 miles to meet the Federals as they come up the Pike. Thus, both sides will be doing at least 6+ miles or so on Saturday.

                      It will be emphasized on the website, but it wouldn't hurt to mention it here; that all participants must be in good physical condition for this event. The Federal march up Allegheny is gradual; but it will still require a good level of stamina. Needless to say, this is no event for someone with heart disease or respiratory problems.

                      Bob D.
                      "If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders."

                      George Carlin

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                      • #26
                        Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                        Bob,

                        Will there be rations issued for this event like there have been at McDowell events? If so, do you have any idea of what will be on the menu?
                        Pards,

                        Jared Byrnes

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                        • #27
                          Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                          Originally posted by jmbyrnes View Post
                          Bob,

                          Will there be rations issued for this event like there have been at McDowell events? If so, do you have any idea of what will be on the menu?
                          Hi Jared,

                          No. We want to try and keep our expenses to a minimum so that we can raise as much as possible for the HHS and the McDowell Battlefield Interpretive Center. On this one we've got to ask everyone to shift for themselves. We'll post some helpful guides for food choices on the website, which should be opening in a few days.

                          Regards,
                          Bob D.
                          "If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders."

                          George Carlin

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                          • #28
                            Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                            Originally posted by jmbyrnes View Post
                            Reading the accounts in R.A.T.G of the battles in this location reminded me of the hot Saturday fight after the march during the Port Republic event. However, this time I'm looking forward to being in the fixed position watching the boys in blue bust their hump up and down the mountain side! Also, after reading about how cold it was at Camp Bartow in Nov. and Dec. I'm glad the event is in July.
                            I was up there this weekend, on the anniversary of the original battle, to visit with the principal landowner and experience the place during the same time of year as the old boys.

                            The temperatures got into the low 40s, with very little wind, so it was actually quite pleasant. But as soon as the sun set, man, did it get cold QUICK!

                            We got to tour the area we'll be using for the fight on Saturday and Sunday morning. It's wonderful ground, about 0.75 miles from the original battlefield. It lies along the crest of Allegheny, so it's almost indistinguishable from the Top of Allegheny site where the Milroy fight took place (the main battle).

                            Just so you all understand. We are prohibited from sham battle at the National Forest core battlefield area; and Hunter Lesser has asked us to refrain from fighting on the private land that also saw action. This is really an important aspect to preserving the site and its resources, as we can easily contaminate the area with misplaced flotsam and jetsam (especially used percussion caps). When you see it up close, believe me, you'll understand the merit of protecting this site.

                            Be that as it may, we want everyone to visit the core area to their heart's content on Sunday; and Hunter L. will be giving a tour of the camp, fort and battlefield at the close of the event. However, be assured that the area we will be doing our camping and fighting in is really an accurate equivalent of the adjacent battlefield and camp, and is at the same altitude with very similar terrain.

                            Regards,
                            Bob D.
                            "If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders."

                            George Carlin

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                            • #29
                              Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                              Bob

                              I know its real early still but any idea on numbers? Sounds like its really going to be a good event.
                              Tony "TJ" Vittone

                              5th VA Co. H,
                              Pine Top Mess,
                              3rd Ark Mess

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                              • #30
                                Re: Assault on Allegheny - July 2009

                                This is a wonderful site. I've been there a few times touring the area. I have folks that live close by so when I go to visit them, I always try and visit Allegheny, Cheat Summit Fort, Corrick's Ford and Rich Mountain. Lots of cool Civil War sites in the mountains of West Virginia. According to author Stan Cohen, it was one of the highest winter camps during the Civil War at an elevation of 4,250 feet above sea level. Good luck with the event and may it be a success.
                                __________________________
                                John A. Miller

                                "The the order "charge" and at it we go, striking at everything that looks like a man. We seize the battery, it is tumbled over the embankment down the mountain side; then we turn our attention to the foremost end of the train, all the while making more noise than a "pack of wild Indians." Private Jos. Lesage, 1st West Virginia Cavalry at the battle of Monterey Pass.
                                John A. Miller, Director
                                Monterey Pass Battlefield Park

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