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    The website is coming in a week or so, but I thought I'd give you guys something to discuss until then. The uniform guidelines were put together by Matt Woodburn, Nathan "Holler" Hellwig, and Bob Welch, with the real knowledge coming from the two latter Iowa soldier history studs. I want to thank them publicly for their valuable assistance.

    Guidelines: As we are to portray a new regiment recently outfitted, it is our desire that we present as uniform an appearance as possible. While many of us put on our personal style and stand out by doing so, it’s our desire that if you must do that, do it with a shirt, a camp hat, with something that is not part of government issue clothing and accoutrements. By presenting a regiment that is almost entirely uniform we will most accurately portray the 15th Iowa, and will give a very impressive image to all who see us. Without requiring you to go to any great expense to fall in, this is the event where you will want to strive for conformity by making the first item in the list below your first choice. What is listed below is taken from known information of what the 15th Iowa had, looks to regulations if a specific item is not precisely identified, or relies on accounts of what other Iowa regiments at Shiloh are known to have. All items are to be of period material and construction.

    Coat: Fatigue Blouse/Sack Coat very strongly preferred, dress frock or infantry jacket reluctantly accepted if you don’t have, or can’t buy or borrow a sack coat. Try hard to find a sack coat. Two Iowa regiments are known to have worn dress coats, while the 12th Iowa wore sack coats at Shiloh. The 15th Iowa drew a second suit of clothes before leaving for Pittsburg Landing. The only specific coat reference we found was one of the officers took off his dress coat and put on his blouse before getting off the paddle wheeler to go to the battle.

    Pants: SKY blue trousers only accepted. No dark blue trousers except by officers if so desired. Sky blue trousers had become the regulation over three months prior to the 15th drawing uniforms in St. Louis. While we have not found a reference to sky or dark blue, the quartermaster department in St. Louis was clothing regiments from all the states passing through literally by thousands of trousers for three and a half months since the regulation change to sky blue. While no specific color was stated during our research, it is possible that the dark blue trouser stores had been issued and sky blue stores had replaced them three and a half months after the issue of the General Order. And it is not the intent of the event organizers to require every man to buy a new pair of dark blue trousers to attend. Sky blue is the required color for enlisted trousers. Only officers may wear dark blue if desired.

    Suspenders/Braces/Belt: Trousers may be held up by either method provided period construction and materials are used.

    Underwear: Military issue preferred, civilian or none is accepted. No modern underwear.

    Hat: Hardee with only a Jeff Davis eagle pinning up the LEFT side brim and the hat devoid of all other hat trim is very strongly preferred. Really try to get a Hardee hat. Black slouch hat reluctantly accepted. Forage cap strongly discouraged (except for officers), but accepted. If officers fully dress their Hardee hat, they should dress their Hardee with the proper embroidered insignia.

    Shirt: Military wool regulation or contract preferred, civilian cotton accepted.

    Socks: Wool preferred, cotton accepted. You should have an extra dry pair with you.

    Footwear: Military pattern brogans strongly preferred, boots accepted. You will be marching five miles to the event site in your footwear so choose wisely. Break them in long prior to the event or you’ll be very sorry.

    Eye glasses: Only period eye wear accepted. Contact lenses are accepted. NO modern eyewear at all.

    Rifle: Model 1861 Springfield Rifled Muskets are what they were issued, so 1861 Springfields are strongly preferred. Model 1855 and 1863 Springfields, and Enfields are accepted. Smoothbores are strongly discouraged, but accepted if that’s all you have. Military flintlocks and civilian rifles are NOT accepted.

    Bayonet and Scabbard: Appropriate model bayonet for your rifle. Scabbard of black leather, Federal two rivet model with brass finial preferred. Seven and eight rivet Federal models accepted. Confederate Black leather, tin tip and lead ball tip scabbards are reluctantly accepted if you do not have a Federal model. Other Confederate models, i.e. sewn tip, are not accepted.

    Leathers: Black leather belt without brass keeper (meaning with leather loop or nothing) is preferred, with brass keeper is discouraged, but accepted. Brass US buckle is the only accepted buckle. Cap box must be Federal pattern black leather. Cartridge box must be Federal pattern black leather. Early war patterns are preferred for both boxes, late war accepted. Cartridge box to have brass US plate on the flap, and the box belt is to have the brass eagle plate on the front. And don’t complain, but we’re a brand new regiment, so POLISH YOUR BRASS. Officers should wear BLACK leathers of proper period construction.

    Haversack: Black, tarred/painted of period construction strongly preferred. No Confederate, white canvas or civilian haversacks accepted.

    Canteen: Smoothside wool covered Federal canteen strongly preferred. Federal wool covered bullseye discouraged, but accepted. Uncovered canteens strongly discouraged. Wool cover colors are tan and grey preferred, blue discouraged but accepted. No Confederate or civilian canteens accepted.

    Knapsack: Early war double bag preferred, mid/late war double bag accepted. No Confederate, militia, or hardpack/Mexican war knapsacks accepted. Go with a blanket roll if you must.

    Blanket: Tan variant, wool Federal strongly preferred. Grey regulation, wool Federal accepted. No Confederate, white British, quilts, or civilian blankets accepted. Plain tan or grey blankets accepted if you do not have a Federal blanket. Bring something to tie your blanket as a blanket roll even if you are wearing a knapsack, i.e. rope, twine, leather strap, etc. You’ll learn why, just bring it.

    Gum Blanket: Black rubberized canvas or linen gum blanket with small brass grommets preferred. Black rubberized poncho reluctantly accepted. Confederate painted, tarred and oiled cloths not accepted.

    Greatcoat: Regulation Federal sky blue accepted. Officers may wear regulation dark blue if they desire. The 15th Iowa had overcoats and carried them into battle. Consider if you want to carry yours on the march, as I cannot guarantee a wagon. Other Confederate or civilian greatcoats/overcoats are not accepted.

    Tents: None accepted.

    Other Requirements: Tobacco use will only be allowed in period form. If you regularly smoke modern cigarettes and must have that modern form of treated tobacco, bring loose cigarette tobacco to smoke in a pipe. No modern cigarettes accepted. Keep modern items, i.e. car key, medicines, contact lens wash, etc., hidden in a poke sack and only take it out discreetly AWAY from the sight of others.

    Everyone’s best effort to adhere to the above guidelines and to try to go with the first listed item as preferred will help us recreate the 15th Iowa with the most accuracy and absolutely will allow us to present a most awesome uniform appearance. If we do it right, this will be talked about for years. And I know there is so much extra gear that we all have, that if we cooperate and loan items to each other we can just about do this perfectly. I have great confidence in you guys!
    Last edited by Matt Woodburn; 06-07-2011, 07:54 PM.
    Matt Woodburn
    Retired Big Bug
    WIG/GHTI
    Hiram Lodge #7, F&AM, Franklin, TN
    "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

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    Re: Uniform Guidelines

    Matt,

    I read with interest this in your above post:
    Coat: Fatigue Blouse/Sack Coat very strongly preferred, dress frock or infantry jacket reluctantly accepted if you don’t have, or can’t buy or borrow a sack coat. Try hard to find a sack coat. Two Iowa regiments are known to have worn dress coats, while the 12th Iowa wore sack coats at Shiloh. The 15th Iowa drew a second suit of clothes before leaving for Pittsburg Landing. The only specific coat reference we found was one of the officers took off his dress coat and put on his blouse before getting off the paddle wheeler to go to the battle.
    Would this affect officer uniform requirements for the event? It appears that at least one officer had access to both a blouse and a frock and opted to wear the latter.
    John Wickett
    Former Carpetbagger
    Administrator (We got rules here! Be Nice - Sign Your Name - No Farbisms)

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    • #3
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      Holler and Matt -- Would the smoothside canteens for this regiment for this time frame have leather straps, herringbone pattern or folded cloth straps? Corks affixed with string versus chain, I'm thinking?
      Good thing I haven't telescoped my Jefferson hat, yet, so I think I have the preferred kit ready to go. Hmmm, maybe my NY Button trowsers are looking a little too "veteran" for this stroll. I'll have to refit after this season is over I guess.
      Still looking for some dark blue pants for Wilson's Creek ...
      Paul Hadley
      Paul Hadley

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      • #4
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        John, officers may wear either a frock or blouse. All men in the 15th had access to two suits of clothes as stated in their diaries. I'm just not sure how they got a great coat (probably rolled on top), two blankets (I'm guessing one wool and one gum), a pair of trousers, and a coat into their knapsacks. That's fully loaded in my book and I would prefer to have a shirt, drawers and socks in mine. Especially if the coat was a second bulky frock coat. It very well could have been a blouse as the second coat, but we've not located records to verify.

        Paul, your question would probably be best answered by Holler or Bob. If the canteen came from St. Louis, I'd say tin spout. But they got equipment in Keokuk. I'll leave it to the experts to answer. And if you get your answer brother, I expect you to be carrying the correct canteen! Hope to see you there.
        Matt Woodburn
        Retired Big Bug
        WIG/GHTI
        Hiram Lodge #7, F&AM, Franklin, TN
        "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

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        • #5
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          To all, I read that the 15th originally formed in the summer and fall of 61 at Keokuk but the entire regiment continued mustering and were not fully organized until Feb 1862 and despite being in for several months did not recieve their first uniform, weapons etc. until March 62. I read this account below that says they were issued Arms and Camp equipage at St. Louis. It did not mention uniforms though. What else do we have as far as what and when were they issued their uniforms?
          "The 15th Iowa left its rendezvous in Keokuk on the 17th of March, 1862, and, after a stay of only ten days in St. Louis, proceeded to the front. At St. Louis the regiment received its arms and camp equipage. It arrived at Pittsburg Landing at six o'clock on Sunday morning, the first day of the battle. Its opening chapter was an eventful one. It fired its first gun at Shiloh. "
          John Adair M'Dowell went to California in 1849 and settled in Monterey. In 1851, he was elected mayor of Monterey and then returned to Iowa in 1852. John Edwards went to California in 1849. He was elected as an alcalde before the state government was formed. In 1852 he moved to Iowa. The brief biographies concentrated on their activities during the Civil War.
          Last edited by PetePaolillo; 06-06-2011, 06:47 PM. Reason: Adding helpful tidbits!
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          • #6
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            As to canteen question, I will look into this and get what information I can find out as soon as possible. As of now, from Adjutant General N. B. Baker's report for 1861, page 12, he states the receipt of 1000 canteens from Schuylkill Arsenal on November 7, 1861, with a like number of haversacks and knapsacks from that same location, but there is no notation where these items were delivered to. There is no mention in the 1863 edition of the adjutant general's report about canteens or other equipage. Unfortunately, I don't have an accessible copy of Boyd's diary in front of me to verify the issue in Keokuk, or if any other materials were reissued in St. Louis.

            As a general rule, Iowa took items from anywhere and everywhere. The noted issue from Schuylkill aside, an unsupported supposition might safely be made that St. Louis was indeed a primary source of accoutrements, but I can not solidly verify at this time where in fact these items came from. The hunt continues.
            Bob Welch

            The Eagle and The Journal
            My blog, following one Illinois community from Lincoln's election through the end of the Civil War through the articles originally printed in its two newspapers.

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            • #7
              Re: Uniform Guidelines

              It should be noted in Boyd's diary (page 13) that the regiment held dress parade in Keokuk on February 22, wherein the Colonel complimented the appearance of the men. On page 15 he notes that the uniforms of the regiment are "in bad plight" but gives no further detail as to what is breaking down. The regiment did have knapsacks and all equipments other than weapons prior to leaving Iowa, it would appear, as he notes on page 15, February 23, that full knapsack inspection was held, requiring the men to turn out in everything issued save their overcoat.

              The entry for March 26 notes that weapons and all accoutrements for their weapons were issued on that date.
              Last edited by J. Donaldson; 06-06-2011, 03:45 PM. Reason: additional information, rather than posting too much
              Bob Welch

              The Eagle and The Journal
              My blog, following one Illinois community from Lincoln's election through the end of the Civil War through the articles originally printed in its two newspapers.

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              • #8
                Re: Uniform Guidelines

                It does say in February in Boyd's diary that the uniforms were in "bad plight." The men drew clothing on "March 28th, 1862" while in St. Louis from the quartermaster there. All of this will be on the event website with notes from/links to the first source documents. There will be alot more info. And we're not basing the "very much preferred sack coat" on one officer's account. We've looked and cannot determine which coat the 15th had on. Knowing that Iowa regiments had both frocks and sacks at Shiloh (the 12th Iowa was wearing sack coats), and I had to choose, I decided it would be easier to fill a paddle wheeler with guys in sack coats (especially since many of the guys coming primarily do Confederate and they might need to buy one). And I need to FILL the boat. I'm currently on the hook for about $8200. I think I can fill all the slots as I've been told there is demand from 400-450 guys and only 280 slots. This will be like early war when the question was "Who will get to go?" The answer to that question for us is "those who follow the guidelines."

                If I required every man to buy a frock (even though we don't know if they wore them), buy a '61 Springfield (even though they could have been '55s but it doesn't say), buy all new looking accoutrements, and a fresh Hardee hat, I'm afraid this might just be me and a few of my closest pards going down the river. I wouldn't mind being with just my pards, but all the rest of you would miss the fun and I'm putting this together for you guys. And even if we were all independently wealthy and could buy everything that would be perfect (that would have to include a wood burning paddle wheeler!), since this is a mainstream event, it would be kind of like wearing all original items and standing in a McDonalds. Gee, that's fun. Remember that you'll be on a paddle wheeler that must meet modern maritime laws, marching on a road that has been paved since the Civil War passing modern houses, going to a mainstream event with wide hipped, buxom gal troops galore. So don't get hung up on a coat. I swear it will be the least of your worries.

                I have had to rely on Iowa historians to help and make best educated guesses where history has not left us an answer. So, unless you have actual documented evidence contrary to what we have posted, go with the "guidelines." And according to the guidelines, a frock coat is not perfectly acceptable, but rather "reluctantly accepted" if you really have no possible way of acquiring a sack coat.
                Matt Woodburn
                Retired Big Bug
                WIG/GHTI
                Hiram Lodge #7, F&AM, Franklin, TN
                "There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

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                • #9
                  Re: Uniform Guidelines

                  All,

                  Here is picture from my collection that seems to represent the guidelines. Not sure where this soldier was from, but I think he'd meet the requirements to get on the boat :)

                  Adam Dickerson
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                  • #10
                    Re: Uniform Guidelines

                    Your cantee should have a leather sling. This is not a very expensive purchase. They rest of this looks good. I understand the dress coats issue. I have a dress coat as does 95% of the Hairy Nation but we ONLY portray federal and is easy for us. We ALL need to look the same. I have a 61 Springfield that I bought five years ago so I am excited to finally use it. Should be nice and bright!

                    I will try and scan the picture of a 12th Iowa member taken before Shiloh in St.Louis.
                    Although the men did get some things in camp here in Iowa most got resupplied in St.Louis.
                    I had back surgery today so I am a little out of it.

                    I would like to thank Matt for all the work he has done so far.
                    Nathan Hellwig
                    AKA Harrison "Holler" Holloway
                    "It was the Union armies west of the Appalachians that struck the death knell of the Confederacy." Leslie Anders ,Preface, The Twenty-First Missouri

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                    • #11
                      Re: Uniform Guidelines

                      Gentlemen,

                      Those are clear and consise event standards. Thanks for making some hard calls on what to ask for to maximize participation. I went throught the same issues for TPEB last year and know how hard those calls between Authenticity and Practicality are.

                      I don't mean to be a detail oriented pain in the tookus. But in the interest of clarity and good discussion, I have a question about the Dress Hats.

                      The August 1861 Revised Regulations of the US Army changed the side of the Dress Hat looped for Infantry from the left to the right. In fact the regulations have all corps and ranks loop the right side of their Dress Hats. A link to the August 1861 Regulations describing the Dress Hat is listed below.



                      Now, the older 1857 Regulations with the amplification of War Department General Order No. 3 of March 24, 1858 had the Infantry loop their Dress Hats on the Left hand side. A transcribed copy of General Order #3 is available here...

                      The image attached earlier in this thread is a reverse image, so to help the conversation I've flipped it to show a correct image. It is attached to this post. From that I see the soldier is wearing his accoutrements correctly and has his dress hat looped on the right side which is correct for the August 1861 Revised US Army Regulations.

                      So, there are a dozen ways to interpret this. These poor boys from Iowa, might have "just not got the word" and still had their Dress hats looped on the left according to the old regulation. Or the Commander may prefer having them looped on the left.

                      A secondary discussion is that the side the dress hat is looped on facilities different drill manuals. With it looped on the left, the Scott's Drill with the left hand shoulder is preferred. While with the right side looped keeps the hat out of the way for the right hand shoulder used in Casey's Drill.

                      If there is a specific documentation of the hats being looped on the left, I'd be interested in seeing it for my own education. Thanks...
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                      Last edited by Pvt_Sullivan; 06-07-2011, 08:28 AM. Reason: Terrible Spelling...
                      Your Obedient Servant,

                      Peter M. Berezuk

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                      • #12
                        Re: Uniform Guidelines

                        Cyrus Boyd wrote in his diary that they were pinned on the left side.
                        Nathan Hellwig
                        AKA Harrison "Holler" Holloway
                        "It was the Union armies west of the Appalachians that struck the death knell of the Confederacy." Leslie Anders ,Preface, The Twenty-First Missouri

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                        • #13
                          Re: Uniform Guidelines

                          Originally posted by Hairy Nation Boys View Post
                          Cyrus Boyd wrote in his diary that they were pinned on the left side.
                          Thanks Hollar... my best wishes for your speedy recovery.
                          Your Obedient Servant,

                          Peter M. Berezuk

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                          • #14
                            Re: Uniform Guidelines

                            OK, let's talk about muskets. Since we don't don't know whether the 15th was issued M1855 rifle-muskets or 1861 models, does anyone have any info on types of arms found in St Louis arsenals circa March, 1862, or at any other time prior to their disembarkation in St. Louis?
                            Bob Muehleisen
                            Furious Five
                            Cin, O.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Uniform Guidelines

                              Hoo-kay, there seems to be consensus re looping dress hats on the left. I'm presuming this is from the hat wearer's perspective -- HIS left while looking forward/up -- and not that Cyrus peeked over at Cuzzin Herkimer and saw the pin on the left side of his comrade as in a mirror? I'll place wherever the Big Bugs desire.
                              But now to the larger question. Can we get an improved version of the eagle pin? It was discussed on the fora some moons ago (Herr Curt?) that the pin sold to reenactors isn't all that authentic. Would there be enough interest to encourage a maker to tool up several hundred correct pins for next year's event?
                              Could someone with digital capabilities post an original versus current hat pin?
                              Much obliged,
                              Paul Hadley
                              Paul Hadley

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