Hat Eagle/Pin

[dixieflyer]

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Exactly John, guess that's my point. I think it would be awesome to see how our hats naturally evolve through the weekend rather than someone trying to alter it before hand.

[Lewis Robinson]

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The 1855 model hat was for the cavalry and included a chin strap. This model hat was eventually adopted for the Regular Army as the model 1858 Army Hat, which had some subtle differneces than the 55' model, mainly the exclusion of the chin strap. So to answer Wayne's question, the 55' model cavalry hat would not be appropriate.

https://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/.../pdf_lo/SSHT-0030.pdf

[Fred F. Griffin]

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Where can I find this bully buy? Thanks


Fred F. Griffin

[dixieflyer]

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Fred, if you are registered for the Paddle-Wheeler Adjunct, you should have received an e-mail from Matt Woodburn about the bully buy to the best of my knowledge.

I'm still in need of a quality repro of the eagle pin for my hat. If anyone knows of a good, quality repro, please let me know. Thanks!

[Fred F. Griffin]

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Takn the train. Would of liked that offer though. Thanks

[Fred F. Griffin]

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Sorry.
Fred F. Griffin

[Adams]

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'58 Hardee it is!

Thanks Warren and Lewis for your advice!!

Regards,

Wayne

[Arch Campbell]

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Do not telescope the crown or monkey with the brim. It should be worn full height, the brim flat except for the left side (for enlisted men) turned up with the eagle. That is the look we are going for here. If you are forced by reduced circumstances (as am I) to try to "re-new" a slightly worn hat, clean it up as much as you can.

You can punch it down for other uses after the event.

Sorry to draw this thread further off topic. As the little brass eagles were always the province of mainstreamers, I have never owned one, and need to get one myself yet.

[Matt Woodburn]

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Fred, send an email to Bill Wickham of Dirty Billys Hats and give him the code "MW" and you'll get the Bully Buy.

Wayne, as Lewis said, the '58 hat is what you want.

Wear your hat as issued new. What Arch said is the way to go. You can even re-shellac your hat to it's original form and stiffness. Use the search function with the word shellac for a great discussion on the AC or Google how to do it and you'll find it.

I know everyone is having a hard time finding a Jeff Davis eagle pin that they are happy with. I've studied alot of originals online recently and talked with Bill Wickham. It seems that no one is making eagles with the "loop" wire in the back and are only a "straight wire" to poke through the felt to hold the brim up. There were a number of slight variations of these brass eagles (just study originals as I did). You could buy one with the straight wire and gently heat it with a soldering iron and replace the straight wire with the loop wire. If you go to that trouble use iron wire as that's what I've seen on the originals I looked at. It's why you'll not often find the wires on dug examples. The iron rusted away and only the brass eagle is left. Then consider this: if you have to decide between seeing a good quality stamped eagle on the outside versus if the unseen wire on the inside is looped or straight, I'd go with the good quality eagle. Bill Wickham told me the guy who makes his eagles uses one of the original dies even though they have the straight wire. I'd go for one off of an original die for quality stamping and if the wire bothers me, I'd fix it like stated above. I don't know what other makes are using to stamp their eagles so I'm unable to comment. Hope this helps.

[J. Donaldson]

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So, per 1479. of the revised '61 Regs (1862), the officers need to have their hats looped on the right?

http://books.google.com/books?id=yQ1CAAAAIAAJ&printsec=titlepage&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=1479&f=false

[Matt Woodburn]

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Read 1479-1490. It can be interpreted two ways. What have people seen on originals and in images where it can be determined what is right and left?

[Jeremy Bevard]

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Ther is another thread on here, linked below, that talks about what side should looped and officers are mentioned. A pard and I looked into this and we looked at a lot of officer photos with dress hats. If I remember correctly we found little that was common including the looped side (or at all) and the amount/type of decoration.

http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/...t-Side-Looping

[Pious Jeems]

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God Save The Union! Where in tar-nation can I find a good eagle pin for me Hardee hat? Same as another above, never owned one in all these years! Sorry if a source has been provided and I over looked!

[GreencoatCross]

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I have several high quality pins left over from a purchase with Tim Sheads a few months back. I intended on replacing the straight wire with the proper hooks but I do not have the time. I believe that I have 4 or 5 of the pins left; if anyone is interested please inquire.

[Matt Woodburn]

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OK, since we're looking for direction for the officers...I looked through alot of images of infantry officer Hardees today. They were both looped on the left and right. And the link from the AC discussion earlier this year indicated alot of others found the same. So for those that care, for the 15th Iowa effort at Shiloh, I'd like to see ENLISTED looped on the LEFT, and OFFICERS looped on the RIGHT.