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    Spent some time yesterday perusing record group 192, and found a few interesting tidbits, as well as a few items for future digging. Let's start with a few myths.

    Myth #1: There were no split peas during the CW.

    Yep, we've all heard this one 1,000 times, yet keep seeing evidence to the contrary. Someone really should have told good Capt. Brigham of Boston about this, on or before 30 Nov 63, because he had 90,697 pounds of split peas on hand. Not "peas," or "pease," but specifically listed as "split peas" on this, and several other "Statement of the Cost of Rations." The rate of issue was 15 pounds per hundred, by the way.

    Myth #2: Green coffee wasn't issued to the troops.

    That green coffee referenced in so many accounts it surely isn't a brand name, but 1,952 pounds of "Green Coffee" shows up in a report similar to the one mentioned above dated 31 Aug 63. Roasted and ground coffee is listed in far larger quantities, and is listed as "R&G Coffee, Coffee R&G, or Coffee R & Gro." in other reports from the same station and individual. Further south, Fort Pickens breaks out "Rio" and "Java" as separate line items, and worth noting is Rio is intended for issue to enlisted men, while the smaller quantity of Java is designated for sale to officers.

    Myth #3: Grits didn't exist.

    The great grit debate has dragged on for years. Maybe grits are not often mentioned by that name, but the federals were not only advertising for bids for large amounts of "ground hominy" in the Baltimore newspaper, but Boston had 50,000 pounds of hominy on hand in late 1863. The latter was not specifically listed as "ground."

    Myth #4: Army bacon was not smoked.

    Stumbled into a bundle of correspondence relating to a contractor who had underbid his bacon estimate by 5,000 pounds due to a failure to compensate for 10% shrinkage. Not only was the step by step process documented from when the green meat picked up at the depot, but the salting, smoking, culling, wrapping, and packaging was laid out in good order. No mention of pepper in this particular process; however, the newspaper advertisement was was included. Evidently, retracting a bid in 1862 was about as much fun as it is now.

    Myth #5: Desiccated vegetables don't appear until 1862.

    Other than the useful comments in Prairie Traveler, and a few scattered mentions, there isn't much out there for pre-war use, but this little gold mine from Lt. Williams in San Antonio, TX, is illustrative of just how much the folks in the SW were using "desiccated potatoes," and "desiccated mixed vegetables. He asked for 6,680 pounds of the former, and 8,400 pounds of the latter, which represented rations for six months. Lt. Williams' order was identical to Captain Blair's previous order on 5 Apr 1859.

    Myth #6: The Army didn't issue canned meat until the Span-Am War.

    The 30,000 pounds of "canned meat" (note the use of "canned" instead of "tinned" ) at Fort Pickens in 1862 is fascinating. No word as to the size of the cans, or what type of meat was stored within. From previous finds, we know the confederates were using imported canned beef as early as June 1864, and probably earlier.

    Myth #7: They never got fish!

    The inventory figure of 22,500 pounds of cod ready for shipment in late October 1863, gives a few hints; however, no mention is made as to whether the cod is salted and boxed/barreled, or butterfly split, salted, and dried. A specimen of the latter was located, transported, deep fried in lard, and immensely enjoyed at Cap'n Rob Carter's Fish House at Winter 1864.

    Enough of that fun, but a few other tidbits are worth mentioning. When we moderns think of bacon, we typically mean side meat; however, "bacon shoulders" and "bacon hams" are specifically mentioned alongside "bacon sides" in the period spreadsheets. Fresh and salt meat are listed as separate line items. Of note is beef tongue or ox tongue, and in places 10,000 pounds or more were listed on-hand.

    Stearite candles are frequently seen in the requests as "Adamantine" or just "Ada." candles. One request did specify "sperm. candles."

    "Yellow coffee sugar" was seen in a request. That's not melado.

    What a fort would do with 2,400 pounds of bean flour is a mystery to me. I know what that is in modern terms, but not in period use. Soup thickening? Unleavened heavy bread? Mortar? ;)

    I wish the pickles had been broken out by type. One depot had 330 barrels of "pickles" up from 222 barrels the month before. One summer 1863 entry that was tantalizing, but difficult to discerne left us wondering if the depot had 2,520 "cases" or "cans" of tomatoes.

    As always, more questions raised than answered, and this is a good thing. A heck of a lot of the usual stuff, like dried peaches, dried apples, corn meal, soft bread, etc., were merely reconfirmed. Not much new to see there other than the sheer volume. Unfortunately, most of the useful information in these files have been long since tossed away, and only the transmittal letters remain; however, in between the beef contract disuputes, the tales of woe about lost wagons (reports of survey for you modern types), and a lot of dust and dirty are few gold nuggets to add to the collection.

    On a good month, it cost approximately 17 cents per ration to feed a man. On a bad month, the price was getting close to 20 cents.

    On to the next 21 boxes of records....
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    Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

    Gettysburg happened because Harry Heth needed a new pair of shoes to go with his new hat.
    Silas Tackitt,
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    • #3
      Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

      Silas,

      Maybe he needed new shoes because he spilled some of that captured federal army issue "cabbage currie" on them. Now, there's a CW era antiscorbutic we don't see mentioned everyday.
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      • #4
        Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

        Charles,

        Don't forget to mention the pickled potatos. Having enjoyed many different pickled foods, I can tell you that pickled potatoes are HORRIBLE! Mr. Heath had me try some and they are truly a waste of a good tuber.

        Jim Butler
        Jim Butler

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        • #5
          Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

          Originally posted by Charles Heath View Post

          Myth #3: Grits didn't exist.

          The great grit debate has dragged on for years. Maybe grits are not often mentioned by that name, but the federals were not only advertising for bids for large amounts of "ground hominy" in the Baltimore newspaper, but Boston had 50,000 pounds of hominy on hand in late 1863. The latter was not specifically listed as "ground."
          ...
          Coarse ground hominy has been around for centuries, and was eaten during the ACW. Why you think this is a myth is beyond me.

          I'm referring to that staple of early America......Samp.
          RJ Samp
          (Mr. Robert James Samp, Junior)
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          • #6
            Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

            Originally posted by RJSamp View Post
            Coarse ground hominy has been around for centuries, and was eaten during the ACW. Why you think this is a myth is beyond me.
            It might come from things like this:

            [INTERVIEWER]: What did you have [for breakfast]?
            NANNIE PHARIS:We had sausages and eggs and most anything we wanted...
            [INTERVIEWER]: Grits?
            NANNIE PHARIS: No, we didn't have no grits. They hadn't come in style then.

            Oral History Interview with James and Nannie Pharis, 1978 December 5, 1979 January 8 and 30. Interview H-39. Southern Oral History Program Collection
            And in fact, in period sources, I can't recall seeing the word "grits" used for the prepared food. It was used to refer to the raw ingredient of coarsely ground meal--usually corn but not always. So saying you had "grits for breakfast" in the 1860s would be like saying you had "cornmeal for breakfast" or "flour for breakfast" today--it's the ingredient, not the food. Saying you had "mush for breakfast" would sound more natural.

            So I wonder, has anyone found examples of "grits" in the period used to refer to the prepared food, and not the raw ingredient?

            Hank Trent
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            • #7
              Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

              Not a single reference to grits in 4+ years of issues of the major Southern newspaper of the time.

              Hominy was milled coarse and fine (Fine I have always understood to be modern day grits ???).

              Note there is also reference to corn meal..which I assume to be corn mealed with the outer kernnel hull intact ?

              Richmond Daily Dispatch: December 18, 1860.

              New and Choice Goods for Christmas
              times!


              at the New Family Grocery Store
              of Minnis & Co., 2nd and Main sts.

              Sweet Cider; fine Apples; Raisins; Citron; Currants; Almonds; Pecans and Filberts; fine and coarse Hominy, in bags or by the pound; Split Peas; White Beans; Black Eye Peas; Virginia and other Buckwheat, by the bag or pound; Pickles; in jars or by the gallon; Catsups; Sauces; Spices; Jellies; Extracts, &c.
              Hominy as a diet.

              Winter is approaching. Allow the writer to urge upon our officers and soldiers the use of the above invaluable article of food. There are various reasons why our army should adopt it as diet: 1st. Any soldier can boll it until it is thoroughly soft, when it is ready for use. The quantity will be too large to depend upon having it beaten in a wooden mortar before sending it to the army; but our mills can grind the corn and send it, which will answer in the place of that beaten, and equally as wholesome. 2d. When well boiled by the soldier until it will mash between the thumb and forefinger, and being ready for use, it can be packed away in wooden vessels, if in the winter, enough at one boiling to last several days, taking the precaution of sprinkling a little salt over it. 3d. The soldier, after frying his meat, (particularly middling,) will have a sufficient quantity of gravy or oil from his bacon, with which to cook his hominy , left in his skillet or frying pan. 4th. Stir it well, and mash with a wooden paddle whilst frying it in the gravy. 5th. It is nutritious and wholesome. 6th. The writer has practiced medicine in the country for twenty years, and can truthfully declare that he has never known a child or an adult made sick by the use of well-boiled, well-prepared hominy . 7th. It is easy of digestion and obviates constipation of the bowels, which is often caused by the liberal use of salt food. With a good supply of pickles and hominy, the tendency to scurvy, from the use of salted meats, will be prevented. 8th. Upon a breakfast of hominy, good bacon, a pickle, and a cup of coffee, the soldier can march twelve hours without hunger. 9th. Let the farmers prepare it, and the soldier will eat it. 10th. It will be economical and healthy, a saving of labor to the soldier, and economy to the Government.
              A Substitute for bread

              Now that meal is hard to get at out our villages and towns, we recommend lie-hominy as a good substitute, at least as a change. The simple plan of preparing it is at follows: To a gallon of shelled corn add a half gallon of good ashes. Boil together until the husk begins to come off the corn. Then rub briskly to clear the grain completely of husk. Wash the corn clean and boil it for ten or twelve hours, adding water from time to time to keep it from burning. It is then ready, and has only to be warmed over for use as it is needed. It is perhaps better fried. This is said to be more wholesome than bighominy, and it is as good diet as corn bread if not better. It is easy to prepare, and saves the toll. Most housekeepers know how to make it; but a few may not be informed on the important subject, and we pen this paragraph for their benefit

              Economy in corn.


              As we are all interested in any plan by which our present supply of corn may be made to yield the greatest amount of nutriment, I beg leave to submit the following suggestion for the consideration of your Quartermasters. Let all the corn led to the , cavalry, and artillery horses in your vicinity be ground into course hominy, and let the millers take toil in kind. That would produce, probably, three to four hundred bushels per day, which would be for sale to your citizens, and so much clear gain, for the broken corn, after deducting the toil, would be more serviceable to horses and mules than all the corn would have been before grinding. This experiment has been tried here, with advantage both to our citizens and to our teams.

              J. M. R. Wlmington, N. C., June 20, 1864.

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              • #8
                Split Pease ?

                Government army supplies.

                The National Intelligencer 10/21/61

                Pork, 3,000 barrels; beef, 6,000 barrels; beef tongues, 200 barrels; bacon, 300,000 pounds; hams, 50,000 pounds; flour. 11,000 barrels; hard bread, 3,000,000 pounds; beans, 4,000 bushels; rice, 1,000 pounds; hominy, 10,000 pounds; riced barley, 20,000 pounds; green coffee, 20,000 pounds; ground coffee, 40,000 pounds; tea, 1,000 pounds; sugar, 2,000,000 pounds; vinegar, 70,000 gallons; candles, 40,000 pounds; soap, 200,000 pounds; salt, 40,000 bushels; desiccated potatoes, 2,000 pounds; desiccated mixed vegetables, 17,000 pounds; pickles, 278 kegs; dried apples, 50,000 pounds; split peas , 4,000 bushels; molasses, 6,000 gallons; potatoes, 4,000 bushels.

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                • #9
                  Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

                  Here's an example of grits one wouldn't normally expect:

                  OATMEAL GRUEL.--Put four table-spoonfuls of the best grits (oatmeal coarsely ground) into a pint of boiling water...(Eliza Leslie Directions for Cookery, 1844)
                  Another example of grits being used to denote size of grind rather than necessarily type of grain:

                  Some of the best housekeepers have taken this method: they provide a good supply of the following articles, to be used in succession — rice, corn-meal, rye flour, wheat grits, unbolted wheat, cracked wheat, pearl wheat, oat grits, oatmeal, and hominy, with which they make a new-article for every day in the week. (Beecher's Housekeeper and Healthkeeper, 1874)
                  I always thought the coarseness went from flour to meal to grits, fine to coarse, depending on the bolting at the mill. Or, after the more primitive way of pounding dried hominy in a stump, the grits were between the meal and the cracked corn in fineness.

                  But then there's the endless complication of various grains becoming connected to the various sizes of particles, so grits came to mean a certain preparation of corn, hominy came to mean a certain fineness of grind, and so forth, all with their own regional variations in definitions.

                  Hank Trent
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                  • #10
                    Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

                    I just spent 45 minutes learning all about corn on the Nat'l Corn Growers Assoc website.



                    Irregardless that outer hull or pericap (modern agri-terminology) has to come off the kernel.

                    The period means, which I did for those who stopped by at Olustee, being lye boiling to remove the kernel. Some may be familiar with a lye hopper in a period / early American kitchen for the purpose of collecting and storing the white ash.

                    Then it is dried and is ground accordingly into various grades, the terminology for which has changed throughout time and is regionalized in different usages.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

                      Originally posted by OldKingCrow View Post
                      Irregardless that outer hull or pericap (modern agri-terminology) has to come off the kernel.

                      The period means, which I did for those who stopped by at Olustee, being lye boiling to remove the kernel. Some may be familiar with a lye hopper in a period / early American kitchen for the purpose of collecting and storing the white ash.

                      Then it is dried and is ground accordingly into various grades, the terminology for which has changed throughout time and is regionalized in different usages.
                      The old (pre-commercial-mill) method was soaking in lye, and it was still practiced of course and was necessary for the kind of hominy that was eaten as whole grains, but was that necessary for all corn ground in commercial mills of the period? I thought they could receive corn just as it was shelled from the ear, and either grind the hull too, or remove it through bolting.

                      We need somebody who knows milling. All I can find is this much later 1910 source which says:

                      In the use of corn in the form of meal the hull is ground with the berry, and in many meals it is not removed by a sifting or bolting process. However, the quality of the meal is improved by the removal of the hull, unless this is very finely ground.
                      This site on how to be a historic miller isn't as helpful as one might think, since you have to get through things like "Corn did not become a popular food staple in the South until the American Civil War. Basically the soldiers got the white wheat flour and the people who remained at home got the brown flour or corn meal." Um, what? But even aside from that, it doesn't describe the bolting process and what it removes in detail, that I can find.

                      Hank Trent
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                      Last edited by Hank Trent; 06-08-2008, 11:25 AM. Reason: typos
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                      • #12
                        Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

                        One December 1861 bid ad specified "oolong tea" by name, and "Mercer" variety potatoes. Fearing Burr covers Mercer rather well in his famous work, and it went by several other names in our period. Now, I'm dying to dig into some of those dusty lists of obscure heirloom potato offerings to see if Mercer is still available under period names or modern names. We've beat Chili Garnet, Lady Finger, and State of Maine to death, so let's expand the offerings at events.

                        In comparing testimony from "How to Feed An Army" with the notes, it seems nearly universal for "desiccated mixed vegetables" to be shortened to just "mixed vegetables." This explains much, although fresh turnips, beets, and cabbage are coming from the depots to the troops, albeit with considerable loss in transit. Now, to find a contract or two with Chollet's agent in NYC. Oh, my, my, oh, my....

                        The fact that "ground" hominy, whether fine or coarse, is specified adds much to the common "Rice & Hominy" subject heading. If "fine ground hominy" is getting a mention here and there in Boston, Baltimore, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc., in the tonnage quantity range, that certainly squelches the N.G.G.C. out there in foodland.

                        Still, "bean flour" makes me scratch my head. Does bean flour have some resistance to millers? (Those pesky moths and their offspring.)

                        We could all get a buzz from 1,000 gallons of Tilden's Pure Extract of Coffee in barrels. Ya think?

                        "Curried Cabbage, Cabbage Currie," and "Cabbage in Curry" lumped in with the desiccated veggies is another one of those "thangs."

                        Is "cured" Mackerel salt & smoked, just salt, or something else? It is still available in good quantity. Mmmm, fish cakes.

                        Good stuff. I don't know who Mr. Berger was, but he appears to be the last person to seriously look through these records -- in 1951.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

                          Originally posted by Charles Heath View Post
                          Is "cured" Mackerel salt & smoked, just salt, or something else?
                          As a native coastal Floridian and redneck epicurean I understand fork tailed species to be too high in oil content to properly dry salt cure. My exp with cured mackerel, as the Japanese still do Saba today, is in a wet brine...

                          Here is a little latter excerpt referring to mackerel in barrels...is there brine in those barrels ? Note mackerel are the only fish refered to in barrels.

                          The receipts of fish at Gloucester during the month of August were as follows: One hundred and seventy arrivals salt mackerel, 43,328 sea- packed barrels; shore mackerel catch, 75 barrels salt, and 370 barrels fresh; eighty-three arrivals from George's and Le Have Banks, with 1,057,000 pounds salt cod, and 50,000 pounds fresh halibut; thirty-six arrivals from Western Bank and Banquereau, with 1,939,000 pounds salt cod, and 9,000 pounds salt halibut; nineteen arrivals from Grand Banks, with 2,540,000 pounds salt cod, and 9,000 pounds flitched halibut; one arrival from the Gulf of Saint Lawrence, with 30,000 pounds salt cod; five arrivals from the cape shore, with 265,000 pounds salt cod; nineteen arrivals from Grand Banks, with 875,000 pounds fresh halibut; thirty five arrivals after shore trips-vessels, 879,000 pounds (mostly hake), shore boats, 352,000 pounds (mostly hake). Also there were freighted from Maine 210,000 pounds and 1,550 quintals (mostly hake and cod), cod imported from the Provinces 282,000 pounds and 200 quintals of dry fish, and 100 barrels of mackerel.

                          BULLETIN OF THE UNITED STATES FISH COMMISSION. VOL 3 1883

                          NOTES ON THE FISHERIES OF GLOUCESTER, MASSACHUSETTS.
                          By S. J. MARTIN. [Letters to Prof. S. F. Baird.]

                          GLOUCESTER, MASS., September 4, 1882.
                          Last edited by OldKingCrow; 06-08-2008, 12:12 PM.

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                            Originally posted by Charles Heath View Post
                            Now, I'm dying to dig into some of those dusty lists of obscure heirloom potato offerings to see if Mercer is still available under period names or modern names.
                            That's the Neshannock potato that's got purple splotches, right? Never found it back when we were looking. It apparently was starting to succumb to disease even in the 1860s and was something of an old classic variety even then.

                            Only other really common period potato we found was the pink-eye, though I've seen some purple-splotched deep-eyed potatoes at the grocery occasionally that could pass for a Neshannock look-alike, though I don't recall what they were sold as.

                            Hank Trent
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                            Last edited by Hank Trent; 06-08-2008, 12:32 PM. Reason: That wasn't supposed to be in italics
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                            • #15
                              Re: Thoughts & a few mythbusters

                              Hank,

                              As a matter of fact, this spud has a history....

                              A Tater With A Roadside Marker

                              Burr's blurb is on pp. 60-61, in Field & Garden Veggies of America.
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