NJ Bans firearms over. 50 Caliber

[JimKindred]

Re: NJ Bans firearms over. 50 Caliber

For those of you who may be interested a discussion of this is also taking place on this blog - http://armsandthelaw.com/ It is not a reenacting blog, its primary focus is firearms legalities and legislation. It is hosted by David T. Hardy, an AZ attorney.

[Abrams]

Re: NJ Bans firearms over. 50 Caliber

You NJ residents should look to your "de-farbing" processes also. Removing modern markings like serial numbers might also cross the line, even if your gun is allowed. Note the use of the words, "manufacturer's serial number or any other distinguishing identification mark or number on any firearm."

(I added the bold type)

My Springfield no longer has a visible serial number on it...

b. "Deface" means to remove, deface, cover, alter or destroy
21 the name of the maker, model designation, manufacturer's serial
22 number or any other distinguishing identification mark or number
23 on any firearm.

[AZReenactor]

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Mr. Loyd, Don't mock. We all know black powder is a gateway propellant. A fellow may start with buck and ball and next thing you know he wants to fire a twelve pounder with cannister. From there it is just a slippery slope from just toting a musket and spending time with friends till they turn their back on friends and family in order to spend their children's inheritance to buy an Maschinengewehr 42 or Sturmgewehr 44.

[JimKindred]

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Troy,

Your post made me laugh a bit this morning, that is exactly how I got started collecting and, yes, I did end up buying a MG42 and Sturmgewehr 44. All this started from buying a Navy Arms 1863 Springfield in 1975. :)

I continue to be an unrepentant collector to this day.

[OldKingCrow]

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Somebody should start a "other hobbies" Social Group.

I have some pics / vids of my current NFA collection.

HKMP5 SBR
HKMP5k SBR
HK Registered Sear Pack S/E/F (Flemming)
Vector Uzi
Colt Registered AR-15 Lower
Suppressors


EDIT TO ADD: Mr. Kindred started a Social Group, please join us for rational discussion about these type of issues.

[JimKindred]

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Not a bad idea, I will see if that can be arranged.

In the mean time don't any one get their panties in a wad from the last few posts. If a closed social group can be arranged I will move those posts there if not I will delete them.

Now lets get back on track with the NJ issue.

[tomp40]

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I find it interesting that the sponsor of the bill is an Assemblyman from Mercer County, the same county the holds perhaps the largest Civil War event each July at Veterans Park in Hamilton township (near Trenton)..

[JustRob]

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Mercer County was also the site of the Battles of First & Second Trenton and Princeton.

According to the proposed legislation, all of the weapons used in those battles would be banned as "Destructive Devices".

FYI, Mercer County is named for General Hugh Mercer, who was killed at the Battle of Princeton.

[unclefrank]

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It's so sad to watch NJ, a hotbed of freedom during the revolution, being turned into a socialist "peoples paradise."

[KPavia]

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In cases such as this the primary concern is that of the elected officials being reelected. They pass legislation like this to look good for their voter base. To my knowledge no crimes have been committed in NJ with .50 plus firearms in the 20th or 21st century.

Too bad the assembly is out of touch with reality. Here in Salt Lake, a guy killed his wife with a little .22 rifle.

[Duff]

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Page 7, lines 38 on:

38 The bill does, however, provide exemptions for 1) antique
39 firearms; 2) antique handguns; 3) traditional muzzleloader rifles;
40 and 4) black powder muzzleloaders having in-line ignition, a center
41 hammer or an under hammer which have been approved for hunting
42 in this State. These firearms would continue to be governed by the
43 statute's current "greater than 60 caliber" restriction. Antique
44 firearms and handguns are defined in the statutes as firearms which:
45 (1) do not fire fixed ammunition or were manufactured before
46 1898 and for which fixed ammunition is not commercially
47 available; and
48 (2) are possessed as a curiosity or ornament or for their
historical significance or value. The statutory 1 definition of antique
2 handgun includes "replicas."
3 The bill defines a traditional muzzleloader rifle to mean a single
4 shot, single barrel, side lock percussion or flintlock firearm with
5 iron or peep sights and a wooden stock.
6 Finally, the bill affords an exemption to persons who lawfully
7 possessed a firearm of a caliber of 50 caliber or greater on or before
8 the effective date of the bill. This "grandfather" provision will
9 permit those persons to continue to possess lawfully their large
10 caliber firearms.