Arnold Schwarzen-Jackson

[Enfilade]

Re: Arnold Schwarzen-Jackson

This statue of Jackson and Little Sorrel on steroids was made back in 1940 by an Italian sculptor commissioned by the state of Virginia for $25,000. I guess the state wanted it's monies worth as Jackson looks like Moses from the movie "Ten Commandments". I also suppose that the Italian was thinking of Napoleon at the time as he was such a short guy and great men should be made "bigger-than-life". He did get his well-known name from that battle....

One other thing about statues on horseback. I've always heard that if a statue is made of a General on horseback with all 4 hooves on the ground that it would signify he was present; 3 hooves on the ground that he wounded; 2 hooves that he was killed in battle. Can anyone else confirm that notion?

Mark Berrier
North State Rifles

http://www.northstaterifles.com

[fedguy]

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I don't know if it's consistant for all CW battlefields, but that was what I was told on one of my many trips to Gettysburg as being the "code" for the statuary there.

Interesting. I just checked my photo of the Longstreet statue at Gettysburg, and Pete's horse has one hoof off the ground. As far as I know he wasn't wounded there. Perhaps the "code" is no longer in effect?

[cprljohnivey]

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I for one don't believe that the Commonwealth of VA would commission an inaccurate sculpture of Jackson. I know there is no know photograph of Jackson during the exact time of the battle, but perhaps in the state archives, closed to the general public, there is some information that shows that Jackson, at this particular time in his career looked like that. Remember, this is representative of the time in the war before the hard campaigns. Sorry, fellas... I just don't buy it. If the statue says he looked like that, THEN HE LOOKED LIKE THAT! Why would the Commonwealth of VA lie to us. I have never know a government official to lie. I will have no more of this slanderous conversation. Mods... Shut this thread down before the wrath of Jackson's spirit smittens one and all!

[Dignann]

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The Confederate image is a very interesting subject. How figures, such as Jackson, were perceived after the war often reflects people's own impressions and desires on the subject's appearance. The Jackson monument at Manassas was scuplted by Joseph Pollia, who also created the Buddy (WW1) monument in Richmond Hill, and the Phil Sheridan monument in Christopher Park, both in New York City.

When the model for the Jackson Manassas monumentwas unveiled, this is what the New York Times had to say:

“It strikes a more modernistic and impressionistic note than is struck by the conventional Confederate monuments. Jackson is depicted as a stocky figure, felt by some to be not unlike U.S. Grant, and he is seated on an equally stocky horse, which some call a dray ‘horse.’”

When the monument was unveiled, the Times reported:

“Whereas Pollia said he wanted to show Jackson’s strength and power, and the force of the man and his horse, a spokesman for the Daughters of the Confederacy objected to the model on the ground that Jackson’s strength was a spiritual strength, not a physical one.”

Many folks didn't like the monument at the time, but Virginia refused to replace it. Artistic license? Obviously, as the artist created a muscular Jackson as an interpretation of his inner strength and battlefield presence and prowess.

Eric

[Brian Wiswell]

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I for one don't believe that the Commonwealth of VA would commission an inaccurate sculpture of Jackson. I know there is no know photograph of Jackson during the exact time of the battle, but perhaps in the state archives, closed to the general public, there is some information that shows that Jackson, at this particular time in his career looked like that. Remember, this is representative of the time in the war before the hard campaigns. Sorry, fellas... I just don't buy it. If the statue says he looked like that, THEN HE LOOKED LIKE THAT! Why would the Commonwealth of VA lie to us. I have never know a government official to lie. I will have no more of this slanderous conversation. Mods... Shut this thread down before the wrath of Jackson's spirit smittens one and all!

I just got back into my chair after laughing so hard I fell out! At first I thought you were serious. Good one.

Brian Wiswell

[cprljohnivey]

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What can I say... We in the Stonwall Brigade protect our own!

[Busterbuttonboy]

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It must be all those lemons.

[JustRob]

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Stonewall was definitely on the Juice.

[Vuhginyuh]

Authentic Campaigner

http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18427

[MBBursig]

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Artistic liberty and artistic style.

My family owns an art foundry and has been casting bronze since 1932, so I've grown up looking at some whacky art.

The over emphasized rotund and muscular build of humans seemed to be a popular style in sculpture; especially Europe. Take French artist Gaston Lachaise:

http://www.sculpturewoman.com/Lachaise.html

Also, three sculptures/monuments at Gettysburg, all sculpted by American Donald DeLue, appear to over emphasize certain human elements. These are the Conf. Louisiana, Mississippi, and Soldiers and Sailors Monuments at the battlefield.

http://www.nps.gov/archive/gett/getttour/tstops/d2images/tstd2-07ms.jpg

http://www.anothersoftwaremiracle.com/vgExhibit/monuments/images/monThumbsT/sr099.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Q9D1hNxOZ_w/RrKs0ZQHOpI/AAAAAAAAALQ/e7_LkzwwWm8/Gettysburg+Confederate+state+monument+full+lenght.jpg

As much as they may look chunky and body builder-like, the purpose is to be of that "monumental" size.

Matt Bursig
"The Modern Art Foundry Mess"

https://www.modernartfoundry.com

[fedguy]

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Here is the picture of Longstreet's statue at Gettysburg.

[Abrams]

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Actually, it appears to me that only the back half of Longstreet's horse is way too small, and all four legs a re a bit short. The front half looks closer to scale anyway, excepting the legs.

The Pedestal sure is needed. A tall one...

[Enfilade]

Re: Arnold Schwarzen-Jackson

Hey, Tom Berenger's hat was a lot larger and his fake beard was a lot more hairy!

"Bring up the guns!, Bring up the guns!"

Mark Berrier
North State Rifles

http://www.northstaterifles.com

[fedguy]

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If it were more realistically proportioned, I actually like the idea of it being on the ground. Kind of a "you are there" feel. Especially if Pete and his horse actually WERE made of bronze! Just like Stonewall.

[Rick Keating]

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I first saw the Jackson statue at Manassas in 1986 when we went to the 125th anniversary of Manassas. We about died laughing as it reminded us of the old cartoon Mighty Mouse on a mighty horse.

It still makes me chuckle to think about it.

Rick Keating