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    Press Release
    August 28, 2008

    Gettysburg Museum Proposes Fee Changes
    After Too Many Skip Movie

    The National Park Service (NPS) and the Gettysburg Foundation have released a proposal for public comment to collect a single admission fee to all the venues at the Gettysburg National Military Park Museum and Visitor Center.

    The single admission charge would cover the museum exhibits, “A New Birth of Freedom” film, and the restored Cyclorama Painting. The fee would be collected by the Foundation, to cover the cost of operations of the museum facility. Admission to the Visitor Center portion of the facility and numerous other visitor opportunities in the park would remain free.

    The proposed new “all-in-one fee” would allow members of the public to visit the museum galleries, see the film, “A New Birth of Freedom,” and experience the Cyclorama painting program with one ticket. The new ticket would allow the Foundation to lower its fees, creating a higher value for park visitors and allowing visitors multiple opportunities to enjoy the venues during the day of their visit.

    The proposed fee for the three combined venues would be significantly less than the current fees structure for the theater and Cyclorama programs—from $12 per adult for the film and Cyclorama program to $7.50 per adult for the museum galleries, the film, and the Cyclorama program, with additional discounts for student and adult groups, and youths.

    “Although this proposal increases the cost of a visit to Gettysburg NMP by those visitors who would not choose to experience either the theater or the Cyclorama program, it does provide the majority of our visitors with a better visitor experience, by making the theater and Cyclorama programs more affordable,” said Gettysburg NMP Superintendent John A. Latschar. “In essence, the proposal spreads the burden of supporting the new facility across a wider percentage of park visitors.”

    The majority of the visitor experience at Gettysburg National Military Park would remain free. The park does not have an entrance fee, so the entire battlefield is available for visitors to explore and enjoy at their leisure, at no charge. In the new facility, there is no charge to enter and use the Visitor Center, the Refreshment Saloon, the Museum Store, the Theater and Museum Lobbies (which contain numerous exhibits), the Resource Room, or the Ford Motor Company Fund Education Center.

    There is no charge for parking while visiting the Museum and Visitor Center, or for the numerous NPS Ranger programs provided in the height of the visitor season. Students, scholars and visitors could still conduct research in the park’s archival and museum collections, by appointment.

    Long-term agreements between the NPS and the Foundation require the Foundation to operate the Museum and Visitor Center on behalf of the NPS for twenty years at no cost to the NPS. The Foundation’s annual operating budget for the Museum and Visitor Center depends upon three primary sources of revenues: commissions from sales in the museum store, commissions from sales in the museum café, known as the Refreshment Saloon, and ticket revenues from the film theaters and Cyclorama program.

    To date, the museum store, operated by Event Network under contract to the Gettysburg Foundation, is performing ahead of projections. The Refreshment Saloon, operated by Aramark under contract to the Gettysburg Foundation, is performing slightly below projections. The film theaters, however, are operating well short of projections. On an annualized basis, the theaters are operating $1,784,780 short of projections -- well below the percentages necessary to allow the Foundation to meet its financial obligations to the bank, for adequate operations and maintenance of the facility, to meet its reserve requirements, or to meet its donation requirements to the NPS.

    "The April opening of the Museum and Visitor Center was very successful, and we continue to receive visitor comments thanking us for what we have done to advance their understanding of Gettysburg," said Robert C. Wilburn, president of the Gettysburg Foundation. "To ensure continued success, we want to reach as many people as possible, allowing them to understand these important events and allowing us to fulfill our mission and support the National Park Service."

    During the first four months of operation of the new facility, the percentage of visitors choosing to view the film has ranged from 18 percent to 24 percent. The Foundation’s pro formas were based on 33 percent of the visitors choosing to buy tickets.

    By charging a single fee to all three venues, the NPS and the Foundation would: substantially increase the percentage of visitors willing to pay the lower fee, thus improving the Foundation’s ability to meet its financial goals; substantially lower the cost of the fee venues thus creating a higher value for park visitors; and allow visitors multiple opportunities to enjoy the venues throughout their visit.

    The Gettysburg Foundation would also offer an annual pass providing unlimited admission to all three venues for $32 per person or $63 per family. The annual pass would include a complimentary membership in the Friends of Gettysburg.

    The first phase of the partnership between the NPS and the Foundation has been successfully accomplished. The Foundation secured all funding required to design and construct the new Museum and Visitor Center facility for Gettysburg NMP. The new facility is solving long-term park problems associated with (1) preservation of the park's museum collections, (2) preservation and display of the 1884 Cyclorama painting, (3) provision of a museum complex to provide visitors with an understanding of the significance of the Battle of Gettysburg within the context of the causes and consequences of the American Civil War, and (4) removal of two outdated visitor facilities and rehabilitation of the historic battle landscapes upon which the buildings currently reside.

    The proposal is available on the park’s website, www.nps.gov/gett . The opportunity for the public comment extends for thirty days, ending September 29, 2008. In addition, a public workshop has been scheduled for 7:00 pm, Thursday, September 18, at the Gettysburg National Military Park Museum and Visitor Center, 1195 Baltimore Pike, Gettysburg, to present information and answer questions from the public.

    Interested members of the public may comment in writing to the Superintendent, Gettysburg National Military Park, 1195 Baltimore Pike, Suite 100, Gettysburg, PA 17325, or by email to GETT_Superintendent@nps.gov. All comments must be received by September 29, 2008.




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    Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

    Gettysburg visitor center may start charging admission

    By ERIN JAMES

    The Evening Sun [Hanover, Penn.]
    August 28, 2008

    In just over a month, visitors to the Gettysburg National Military Park Museum and Visitor Center could be paying $7.50 as a single admission fee to see museum galleries, a 22-minute film and the Cyclorama. The private organization that operates the facility is proposing the change in an effort to meet financial goals.

    The proposal would be a drastic change to the museum's current ticketing procedure. Visitors are currently charged $8 to view a 22-minute film about the Battle of Gettysburg and its significance to American history, but museum exhibits are free of charge - something park officials have insisted upon for years.

    Park officials said Thursday that ticket sales for the $8 film have fallen far short of projections since the center's opening in April, and a change of course is needed to keep the facility financially afloat.

    With the current fee structure, officials said they expect to lose $1.78 million annually.

    "If we ran a full fiscal year with the returns we're getting now, we'd be in big trouble," said Park Superintendent John Latschar.

    The Gettysburg Foundation is the park's private partner charged with operating and maintaining the new visitor center.

    To operate the facility, the foundation depends upon three primary sources of revenue - museum store commissions, food-service commissions and ticket sales for the film and Cyclorama.

    The Cyclorama is scheduled to open for the first time since its restoration on Friday, Sept. 26. The park's original plan was to charge visitors $12 to see both the film and the Cyclorama. The museum exhibits would have remained free.

    As of tomorrow, a 30-day comment period on the proposal opens for the public.

    Latschar said park and foundation officials will gather all the comments, hold a public meeting on Sept. 18 and make a decision no earlier than Sept. 29.

    He said it's possible an outside proposal could influence the park's final decision.

    "Somebody out there might think of something we hadn't thought of," Latschar said.

    Gettysburg Foundation President Robert Wilburn said he expects some opposition to the proposal, but it's for the best in the long run.

    "I really think this will be a plus for a majority of our visitors," he said.




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      Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

      Are not NP movies at all the different battlefields normally free? Was not the old Museum exhibits at Gettysburg free for all to see? I cannot believe that the folks at the new museum need an additional $2 million dollars to operate or send money to the Foundation???
      Anyone could see that the spending of $100 million plus for a new building was over the top.
      Who gets this extra $2 million and for what? and if the movie is that bad and no one wants to spend an extra $8 to see it make another one. Something is just not right here,:sarcastic and I predict that the museum will be broke in the next two years!! Then what??

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        Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

        Nearly every day I am reminded precisely why Shiloh is my favorite battlefield park with Antietam running a close second. I'd flip $3 for an NPS film, but really and truly $8 is what a first run film at a multiplex runs these days, and for some family fellow forking out for four heads times eight bucks is a tad much. It's a battlefield, and not a theme park.

        For true entertainment and education value, it is hard to beat a battlefield visit after a light snow with map and books in hand. The road noise is muffled, the subtle terrain features stand out, and the 'rons are few and far between.

        Less is more.
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          Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

          Park Service to charge museum admission fee

          BY SCOT ANDREW PITZER

          The Gettysburg Times [Gettysburg, Penn.]
          August 29, 2008

          Financial goals have not been reached at the new $103 million Gettysburg Battlefield Visitor Center, so the non-profit group that’s operating the complex is introducing a new fee structure. Beginning in October, a fee may be imposed upon visitors entering the park’s artifact museum.

          “We’ve tried just about everything,” park Supt. Dr. John A. Latschar said Thursday morning during a media conference at the visitor center. “We’re just not meeting the goals and hitting our numbers. Nothing was working, so we came to a conclusion that the best thing we could do is change the fee structure.”

          The Gettysburg Foundation, which partnered with the park to build the facility and intends to operate the complex for 20 years, is proposing a $7.50 single admission fee to tour the museum galleries, watch a 22-minute feature film and view the Cyclorama painting.

          “I think this will be a plus for the majority of our visitors, and overall, a better experience,” said Gettysburg Foundation President Robert C. Wilburn. “We’re giving people more options, and we’ve put together a good package that’s affordable.”

          Under the current fee structure, the park and Foundation expected to lose $1.78 million annually from film and Cyclorama ticket sales. The facility opened in mid-April.

          “We’ve been open now for about five months,” said Wilburn. “It was a good shakedown period...to see how visitors were reacting to what we were offering.

          Now, we know the trends and we can adjust our packages.”

          Previously, there had been no charge to enter the museum, both at the new Baltimore Pike visitor center and the old Taneytown Road facility. Plans for the new visitor center date back nearly 14 years, and the concept of the museum had always been for a “free” experience.

          The park owns more than one million Civil War artifacts, and about 1500 of those relics are on display in the museum gallery.

          “We’ve said from the beginning that the museum will be free,” said Latschar. “Before we do any of this or make a final decision, we’ll listen carefully to the public, as we’ve done every other time in the past. We wouldn’t be doing this unless we felt it was the best method of meeting our mission.”

          Under the proposal, there would still be no charge to enter the visitor center.

          “Most of the opportunities here are still free,” said Latschar. “There is no entrance fee to the battlefield — that’s not the case at other parks. The greatest portion of our new building is still free. Obviously, we’re not going to charge people to come into the visitor center for orientation, information and to use the restrooms.”

          Adult tickets to watch the park’s 22-minute film, dubbed “A New Birth of Freedom,” had been priced at $8 for adults.

          During the first four months of operation of the new facility, the percentage of visitors choosing to view the film, statistics show, ranged from 18-24 percent.

          The foundation’s revenue projection formulas were based on 33 percent of the visitors purchasing film tickets.

          About one million people have passed through the visitor center’s doors since it opened in April.

          “The bottom line is, the visitors that are coming into our facility weren’t expecting to pay that high of a fee,” said Latschar. “We’ve seen and heard enough to know that we had to take another route.”

          The park and foundation originally intended to couple the movie and Cyclorama painting in a ticket package (for $12) once the restored artwork opens to the public in late-September.

          But those plans have been scrapped, because the prices were not a big hit with visitors.

          “One of the main concerns we heard was that people were paying eight dollars to see a 22 minute film, when they could go to the mall and pay $8 to see a two-hour movie,” Latschar said regarding the park’s film about the Battle of Gettysburg and its significance to American history. “In my opinion, the film is the best production ever made on the Civil War, but people just weren’t watching it.”

          The 2008 operating budget for the visitor center, according to park statistics, relied on $4.8 million from film and Cyclorama revenues.

          But current sales trends indicate that ticket revenues would have barely topped $3 million at the end of 2008.

          For a short time, the Foundation required all museum guests to stand in line at the ticket booth and listen to sales pitches for the movie, even though the museum tickets were complimentary.

          “We felt like we were harassing people,” laughed Latschar. “We made people get in line for a free ticket. We did it for two weeks and it didn’t work.”

          Wilburn added: “No one liked it...getting in line for a free ticket. Our employees didn’t like it either.”

          Long-term arrangements between the Park Service and Foundation require the agency, which employs more than 100 staffers, to operate the visitor center on behalf of the park for two decades, at no cost to the federal government.

          The foundation’s annual operating budget for the complex depends upon three primary sources of revenue: sales from a gift store, operated by Event Network; sales from the building’s cafeteria, operated by Aramark; and ticket revenues from the film and Cyclorama programs.

          Specifically, the foundation must use those revenues in one of four ways: to pay down the project’s $15 million debt; to cover the facility’s operational and maintenance costs; to build up a capital reserve; and to provide annual contributions to both the Park Service and Gettysburg National Military Park.

          “Now that we’ve got the first half-year of operations under our belt, we’ve had some operational pain that we need to resolve, so that’s why we’ve come up with these changes,” said Latschar.

          A 30-day comment period on the proposal opens today to the public.

          The park is gathering those comments, holding a public workshop Sept. 18, and making a decision no earlier than Sept. 29.

          The proposal is subject to approval from the National Park Service.




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            Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

            Tom,

            Many NPS films are free but more and more parks are charging a nominal fee to see their orientation programs. Also, more and more parks are charging entrance fees. Maintenance costs are up, but budgets are not.

            If anyone dislikes the Gettysburg fee proposal, drop them a line. A public comment period means just that, the public can provide their views and input.

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              There was, of course, a relatively nominal fee of $3 to see the electric map presentation in the old facility. Personally I don't think it was unreasonable to pay that.

              I'm a bit doubtful of the value of the movie, which admittedly I haven't seen.
              Back in my misspent youth I spent seven years as a curator in a small, general arts & sciences museum. The director was absolutely adamant that we would never use films, photos of objects not on exhibit or anything else to impart information. He felt that we had to tell the story with exhibited objects only and that if we couldn't, the exhibit was no good. (This occasionally put me at loggerheads with the boss since I was also the staff photographer, and was always looking to use media to supplement the museum experience).

              Personally I wouldn't want to see a package deal -- people on a tight time schedule might feel obligated to spend some of their limited time viewing the film lest they cheat themselves out of value paid for. If they must charge an admission fee to meet the budget, then set a reasonable fee; charge for the other attractions separately.

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                Quite possibly the The Gettysburg Foundation could have put a little more thought into how much they were spending versus how much it was going to cost to operate this in the first place. Surely this entire problem did not sneak up on them.

                Like Charles I tend to like the low key less extravagant parks that are less commericalized.
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                  Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

                  Originally posted by Dignann View Post
                  Tom,

                  Many NPS films are free but more and more parks are charging a nominal fee to see their orientation programs. Also, more and more parks are charging entrance fees. Maintenance costs are up, but budgets are not.

                  If anyone dislikes the Gettysburg fee proposal, drop them a line. A public comment period means just that, the public can provide their views and input.

                  Eric
                  Hello and Good Morning from Iron Brigade Country, Wisconsin--

                  I will put aside my personal feelings on this whole museum subject and the apparent financial situation with the Gettysburg Foundation.-- and will go directly to reality 101.

                  It is plain, the plan to raise money and maintain the new building are falling short after only a few months. The only option is to charge people to get into the building to see the museum. This is "probably" the only short term option open to them. It might work and it might not. If I had to pay $7.50 to go into the museum building I might go once and thats it.--for a long time.... IF the $7.50 charge does not cover expenses, then what? $8.50? $9.50? close the building? and if that happens what of the artifacts and cyclorama? Are they the property now of the bank or lender? And where to store them now??
                  The Foundation says they have to pay back $15 million dollars in debt. Well, it looks like folks like us are going to have to bale them out.--
                  I sincerely hope that the members of the Foundation are not taking any salaries or monies for their work for the new museum.-- and if they are, to stop and put it toward paying off the debt.

                  Tom Arliskas
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                    Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

                    Having toured the museum several weeks ago, I would be willing to pay a fee to see it on future visits. I agree that a museum fee should be seperate from the film and cyclorama fees.

                    For what it's worth, to get into Yellowstone National Park is $25 for one privately one passenger vehicle, $12 per person if you walk in.
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                      Hmmn...and I thought that a substantial portion of the artifacts at the GNMP were the property of the American people...

                      Reality check is that by the foundation opening the New Visitor's Center, they more than doubled the staff...and the ovrhead for the interpretation of the same space.

                      I'm writing my congressman, and the GNMP Superintendant about my disgust over the "politics" of the new exhibits, the lack of focus of the New V.C. on the men who fought and died at Gettysburg, and of course this latest slight at the American people, where we should now be charged for someone else's faulty/greedy business decision.

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                        The Refreshment Saloon, operated by Aramark under contract to the Gettysburg Foundation, is performing slightly below projections.
                        Is it just me or do others think that a place called the 'Refreshment Saloon' where thousands died and are remembered and honored is pretty crass and tasteless. Makes it sound more like a Disneyworld production than an NPS site.
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                          Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

                          Not to reopen the Gettysburg Visitors Center thread, but after going to to the museum, in all honesty I would not pay to see that museum nor the video. I want to learn about the battle, not the whole war, nor do I want to be fed lots of propaganda about slavery. For goodness sake the museum gift shop charges like $120 bucks for a Made in China piece of crap gift shop kepi!!! They are raking people over the coals.
                          Gettysburg is so commercialized now it doesnt surprise me that the park is following along. I used to love going there as a teen, but now, a few years later I really cant stand going to the place.

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                            Re: Gettysburg NMP Museum: Entrance Fee

                            Originally posted by huntdaw View Post
                            Is it just me or do others think that a place called the 'Refreshment Saloon' where thousands died and are remembered and honored is pretty crass and tasteless. Makes it sound more like a Disneyworld production than an NPS site.
                            I've never been there, but I assume the name is a reference to the places called "refreshment saloons" set up by the Christian Commission and other soldiers aid groups to provide nourishment and support to wounded soldiers or soldiers who were otherwise in need. I don't see how the name itself could possibly be distasteful--don't know what the actual modern place is like though.

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                            • #15
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                              Since this thread is in the sinks, I'll say this.

                              I don't think it's a bad thing the museum covers the whole war. The American public, in general, needs places where they can learn about the whole war. The majority of visitors don't know much about the Civil War when compared to the A/C crowd. Case in point, when I was recently at the new Visitor Center, my friends and I overheard a couple in a conversation about how little they knew going in and how much they learned that day from some time in the museum. One said "All I remembered from high school history was Gettysburg, and I thought the whole war was fought at Gettysburg." This couple was probably in their 40's, so we can't completely atrribute their lack of knowledge to recent failures of the school system.

                              As to the politics of some of the exhibits as to the causes of the war, well, that argument has been going on for 147 years, and an internet forum won't be solving that issue.
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