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    OK...I posted this in the Naval subforum, but with no responses:

    Over the weekend on my return from Westville, I had the oppurtunity to visit the Civil War Naval Museum in Port Columbus...some really cool stuff is on display there!

    Before leaving I bought one of their "new" mugs with the CSN Seal and Motto, but am perplexed as to what the motto "Aide Toi Et Dieu Taidera" means...any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Paul B.
    Paul B. Boulden Jr.


    RAH VA MIL '04
    (Loblolly Mess)
    [URL="http://23rdva.netfirms.com/welcome.htm"]23rd VA Vol. Regt.[/URL]
    [URL="http://www.virginiaregiment.org/The_Virginia_Regiment/Home.html"]Waggoner's Company of the Virginia Regiment [/URL]

    [URL="http://www.military-historians.org/"]Company of Military Historians[/URL]
    [URL="http://www.moc.org/site/PageServer"]Museum of the Confederacy[/URL]
    [URL="http://www.historicsandusky.org/index.html"]Historic Sandusky [/URL]

    Inscription Capt. Archibold Willet headstone:

    "A span is all that we can boast, An inch or two of time, Man is but vanity and dust, In all his flower and prime."

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    Re: CSN Motto~Help

    Paul,

    Type it into Google and see what you get.

    Eric
    Eric J. Mink
    Co. A, 4th Va Inf
    Stonewall Brigade

    Help Preserve the Slaughter Pen Farm - Fredericksburg, Va.

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    • #3
      Re: CSN Motto~Help

      Try "Aide Toi Et Dieu T'Aidera" as I believe that is the proper spelling. You might also try a French Dictionary.
      Troy Groves "AZReenactor"
      1st California Infantry Volunteers, Co. C

      So, you think that scrap in the East is rough, do you?
      Ever consider what it means to be captured by Apaches?

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      • #4
        Re: CSN Motto~Help

        "God helps those who help themselves" is the English version.
        John Duffer
        Independence Mess
        MOOCOWS
        WIG
        "There lies $1000 and a cow."

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        • #5
          Re: CSN Motto~Help

          "Try "Aide Toi Et Dieu T'Aidera" as I believe that is the proper spelling. You might also try a French Dictionary"

          Right AZReenactor it's true!
          It is exactly that in french "Aide toi et dieu t'aidera"
          Last edited by Mcouioui; 10-28-2008, 08:14 AM.
          William Miconnet
          French Mess
          AES
          BGR & IPW Survivor
          Never ever give up!
          In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
          I believe!

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          • #6
            Re: CSN Motto~Help

            And the word for word translation is " Help you and god will help you "
            William Miconnet
            French Mess
            AES
            BGR & IPW Survivor
            Never ever give up!
            In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
            I believe!

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            • #7
              Re: CSN Motto~Help

              This French expression of XV century and was resumed by the French Royal navy because it means:


              Before speaking about it to god, it is necessary to know how to supply the necessary efforts.
              In other words, before complaining, it is necessary to examine and to tempt all the possible solutions.
              Once the efforts were carried out, we can then recover from it in the divine providence.
              We also say " help you and the sky will help you " "aide toi et le ciel t'aidera"
              William Miconnet
              French Mess
              AES
              BGR & IPW Survivor
              Never ever give up!
              In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
              I believe!

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              • #8
                Re: CSN Motto~Help

                Paul,

                You will appreciate this. I am sure I have told you before that my grandfather grew up on Grove Ave just off the Boulevard. He was a walking Ridiculous Encyclopedia of all things Richmond; Monument Ave, the old Fan, Byrd Park and the Rockets, etc, etc, etc. I am all too familiar with this motto that he attributes as much to Matthew Fontaine Maury and his French Huguenot heritage as he does to the Confederate Navy.

                My grandfathers Rockets Gang colloquial translation of Aide Toi Et Dieu T'Aidera is 'You Cant Get There From Here'.
                Last edited by Vuhginyuh; 10-28-2008, 12:35 PM.
                B. G. Beall (Long Gone)

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                • #9
                  Re: CSN Motto~Help

                  This motto is on the Alabama's wheel. The wheel is on loan from Cherbourg, and is on display at the Washington (DC) Navy Yard museum.

                  Joe Walker

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                  • #10
                    Re: CSN Motto~Help

                    The only battle of the civil war abroad I believe?!
                    William Miconnet
                    French Mess
                    AES
                    BGR & IPW Survivor
                    Never ever give up!
                    In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
                    I believe!

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                    • #11
                      Re: CSN Motto~Help

                      Originally posted by Mcouioui View Post
                      The only battle of the civil war abroad I believe?!
                      Nope...but possibly the only one taking place in French Waters (proper).

                      Paul B.
                      Paul B. Boulden Jr.


                      RAH VA MIL '04
                      (Loblolly Mess)
                      [URL="http://23rdva.netfirms.com/welcome.htm"]23rd VA Vol. Regt.[/URL]
                      [URL="http://www.virginiaregiment.org/The_Virginia_Regiment/Home.html"]Waggoner's Company of the Virginia Regiment [/URL]

                      [URL="http://www.military-historians.org/"]Company of Military Historians[/URL]
                      [URL="http://www.moc.org/site/PageServer"]Museum of the Confederacy[/URL]
                      [URL="http://www.historicsandusky.org/index.html"]Historic Sandusky [/URL]

                      Inscription Capt. Archibold Willet headstone:

                      "A span is all that we can boast, An inch or two of time, Man is but vanity and dust, In all his flower and prime."

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                      • #12
                        Re: CSN Motto~Help

                        The Alabama fight was in international waters with French warships standing by to enforce neutrality.
                        John Duffer
                        Independence Mess
                        MOOCOWS
                        WIG
                        "There lies $1000 and a cow."

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                        • #13
                          Re: CSN Motto~Help

                          Sure, but with one good vision for the french people :)
                          William Miconnet
                          French Mess
                          AES
                          BGR & IPW Survivor
                          Never ever give up!
                          In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
                          I believe!

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                          • #14
                            Re: CSN Motto~Help

                            Originally posted by Stonewall_Greyfox View Post
                            OK...I posted this in the Naval subforum, but with no responses:

                            Over the weekend on my return from Westville, I had the oppurtunity to visit the Civil War Naval Museum in Port Columbus...some really cool stuff is on display there!

                            Before leaving I bought one of their "new" mugs with the CSN Seal and Motto, but am perplexed as to what the motto "Aide Toi Et Dieu Taidera" means...any help would be greatly appreciated.

                            Thanks,

                            Paul B.
                            Where is this "Naval Subforum"?

                            Steve Hesson

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                            • #15
                              Re: CSN Motto~Help

                              Originally posted by sigsaye View Post
                              Where is this "Naval Subforum"?

                              Steve Hesson
                              Steve, its under Social Groups up top. Click on there and go to "Sea Dogs and River Rats" and sign on. You'd be a most welcome addition.
                              Ross L. Lamoreaux
                              rlamoreaux@tampabayhistorycenter.org


                              "...and if profanity was included in the course of study at West Point, I am sure that the Army of the Cumberland had their share of the prize scholars in this branch." - B.F. Scribner, 38th Indiana Vol Inf

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