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    Need help with CS soldier photo identification

    Need your help/opinion on identifying a CS soldier.

    Background:

    The CDV in question came out of a local Southern estate and contained CDVs of local Confederates and townspeople (Lynchburg). The owner of the CDVs is trying to figure this one out.

    The CDV in question is marked "Mystery Man"

    There's a fair chance that Mystery Man is one of three brothers who all served in the CS army as officers. These brothers are Ned Hutter, Risque Hutter, and Ferdinand Hutter. However Mystery Man may be none of the above.

    Take a look at the comparison photo below and tell me what you think in the poll I've listed.



    I'm interested to see what the forum thinks collectively, if you have any questions or observations, please post those too.

    Greg Starbuck
    80
    possibly/probably Ned Hutter
    28.75%
    23
    possibly/probably Risque Hutter
    15.00%
    12
    possibly/probably Ferdinand Hutter (FYI- no known images of Ferdinand exist)
    13.75%
    11
    I don't think Mystery Man is a Hutter
    16.25%
    13
    Not enough data/information for me to draw a conclusion
    26.25%
    21
    The brave respect the brave. The brave
    Respect the dead; but you -- you draw
    That ancient blade, the ass's jaw,
    And shake it o'er a hero's grave.

    Herman Melville

    http://www.historicsandusky.org
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    Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

    Greg,
    Taking a scientific, sort of CSI approach:
    I took this picture and saved it into my geometry program at school (sketchpad). I created a triangle using the center of the eyes and the center of the lips (center of chin is more accurate however, these guys have beards so my mark could be off)as verticies. Using the known pictures of Ned Hutter...the triangles all remain proportional. Using this method with the mystery man...they are NOT proportional with Ned Hunter. Same process with Risque Hutter....I get a proportional triangle. Now this is not an exact science....your points can be off and there are always twins as well as really close to twin cousins....but it's usually pretty accutate. My guess would be that you have a match to Risque Hutter. Hope this helps!
    Luke Gilly
    Breckinridge Greys
    Lodge 661 F&AM


    "May the grass grow long on the road to hell." --an Irish toast

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    • #3
      Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

      Thanks Luke-

      Would a higher resolution image of the composite help you? I can e-mail you one.

      Greg Starbuck
      The brave respect the brave. The brave
      Respect the dead; but you -- you draw
      That ancient blade, the ass's jaw,
      And shake it o'er a hero's grave.

      Herman Melville

      http://www.historicsandusky.org

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      • #4
        Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

        I'd say off the bat...there is NO WAY, this mystery man could be Ned Hutter (unless of course he had some massive reconstructive surgery). The nose does not match that of Ned, the Facial Structure; eye sockets, cheecks do not match that of any of Ned's images (which show a pretty consistant trend).

        That said, I do not feel there is enough evidence seen in these images to credit/discount the image from being another image of Risque, or possibly even the brother Ferdinand. The nose and eyes while not a perfect match, appear to have a very close resemblance to the 1859 Risque Hutter image.

        Is the mystery man wearing a uniform?

        Paul B.
        Paul B. Boulden Jr.


        RAH VA MIL '04
        (Loblolly Mess)
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        • #5
          Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

          Greg,
          A high-res image would give a more definate match. You'd still have the possible error of cousins with the same facial make-up on the positive ID side...however, it is extremely accurate when saying "this is not....".
          Luke Gilly
          Breckinridge Greys
          Lodge 661 F&AM


          "May the grass grow long on the road to hell." --an Irish toast

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          • #6
            Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

            That's totally Ned Hutter! Starting from the left, the first 3 pictures look like they could be 3 completely different people. Sometimes what we see is skewed when there are too many variables so I put mystery man next to each known photo individually. Although maybe not at first, the more you look at mystery man and Ned Hutter 1861, the more they look the same. Mystery man looks like a withered Ned Hutter 1861. Maybe a fresh young recruit in 1861 and his follow up photo showing a withered, battle worn Ned. The only difference I see is he lost the weight in his cheeks and grew a beard.
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            • #7
              Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

              His brow line matches that of Ned (space between them, shape of eyes) in the 1861 image. However, his ears are a different shape and they appear to stick out. I wouldn't put it past the possibility he is related to the two Hutters. I am voting he is the third brother, but not either of the two named men.

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              • #8
                Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

                I'll post a full size image of the Mystery Man later tonight (so you can see his uniform).

                Thanks for the input, its a fun exercise, and maybe we'll recover some history in the process.

                BTW- This is the house where are three Hutter brothers were born. http://www.historicsandusky.org

                Greg Starbuck
                The brave respect the brave. The brave
                Respect the dead; but you -- you draw
                That ancient blade, the ass's jaw,
                And shake it o'er a hero's grave.

                Herman Melville

                http://www.historicsandusky.org

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                • #9
                  Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

                  There's definitely a family resemblence, but hard to say whether there's a match.
                  Mick Cole
                  37th VA Co. E

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                  • #10
                    Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

                    Here is a more complete view of the Mystery Man.

                    Greg Starbuck
                    Attached Files
                    The brave respect the brave. The brave
                    Respect the dead; but you -- you draw
                    That ancient blade, the ass's jaw,
                    And shake it o'er a hero's grave.

                    Herman Melville

                    http://www.historicsandusky.org

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                    • #11
                      Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

                      I don't think it is Ned Hutter, but I would say he is related in some way, such as the unphotographed brother or a close cousin. the noses are different and it looks as if the right ear on the mystery man folds down more than on Ned. He is not Risque since the beards grow in different. Just my observations!
                      Don Woods
                      Member ABT

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                      • #12
                        Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

                        An interesting sideline is the photograph of bearded Risque. That CDV was in the same album as Mystery Man. It was unidentified. After a couple of years it was noticed that he had the same ear as Risque Hutter.

                        We compared it with some known photographs of Risque Hutter and we had a match.

                        Take a look at his ear, its sort of a Vulcan ear, or some critter bit a chunk out of it.

                        You never know what evidence you'll find to help guide your identification.

                        Greg Starbuck

                        The brave respect the brave. The brave
                        Respect the dead; but you -- you draw
                        That ancient blade, the ass's jaw,
                        And shake it o'er a hero's grave.

                        Herman Melville

                        http://www.historicsandusky.org

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                        • #13
                          Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

                          My vote would have to be the"Mystery Man" being Ned Hutter...But with nothing to back that i guess its just an opinion...:tounge_sm
                          Jesse Parsons
                          -37th Virginia Infantry-
                          -Wampus Cats Mess-
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                          • #14
                            Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

                            the ears are the dead give away. The man is neither Hutter you list because his ears are shorter and stick out at the top.
                            [FONT=Trebuchet MS]Joanna Norris Forbes[/FONT]

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                            • #15
                              Re: Need help with CS soldier photo identification

                              The beard's different than the other two guys. Trust me, I know these things.
                              Patrick Rooney

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