History teacher dumb dumb...

[Indianabugles]

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I have to agree with the guy who said we are lumping all teachers in the same boat. Fair comment. I am a school parent govenor and questioned what was being taught about dinosaurs recently as it was patently inacurate and dated.
In all fairness the teacher knew this but also pointed out that the curriculum stated what was taught and from which text, test based on text. So is the education system the problem?
Point is teachers are not always the problem here and in fact in my own experience my history teachers have gone on to explain things over and above the curriculum and have been most interested in being challenged, the challenge proved and sourced, source proved etc etc etc. Which is pretty much what is expected on this forum.
Still, I have heard someone of the teaching profession ask,
"So the war was between North America and the South, who started it, Argentina or Peru?"
But these are probably exceptions rather than the rule.

[flattop32355]

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The sad thing, in listening to her explanation, is that it sounds like she picked up bits and pieces of here misunderstanding from some of the many, many incompetent reenactors out there educating the publik.:sick:

I don't know of any military reenactor, on any level, ultimate farb to uber-campaigner, who would be so utterly uneducated and unlearned about their weapon as to espouse the "information" this lady is disseminating.

At best, she has gooped up what she has heard all by herself. At worst.....heaven only knows where she came up with it.

[kevin]

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Hello,
Here is more drivel to befuddle your mind. I once had an apparent American spectator say to me: "If George Washington was a Virginian, why did he lead the Union Army?" I kindly reminded him that he was all ^%&$*% up on his timeline. Then I walked away.

[jomang]

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In 27 years of teaching in three different districts and 5 different schools I have never witnessed anything as messed up. I can't honestly believe the video is for real. Maybe it is a SNL skit?

As an educator and ACW enthusiast I have been invited to many classrooms in our community from elementary to high school and shared developmentally appropriate information that did not always collaborate instruction that the classes received as part of the prescribed curriculum. But never have I had a teacher or school administrator be anything but grateful for my time. Every school that I have visited has invited me back, even volunteered to cover the cost of a substitute teacher at my home school.

I know in our district, schools encourage guests speakers on a variety of subjects and expertise. They need the volunteer hours and it is more cost effective for us to offer bringing accurate information that is far more interesting than the video to a school, than to transport bus loads of students to a FARB fest. Get my drift.

Finally, no doubt our educational system is in question, but what isn't in these times.

Joe Kurtright

[Craig L Barry]

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Oh, Nevermind

[Motown]

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Hello,
Here is more drivel to befuddle your mind. I once had an apparent American spectator say to me: "If George Washington was a Virginian, why did he lead the Union Army?" I kindly reminded him that he was all ^%&$*% up on his timeline. Then I walked away.

And that's a real educational response.

I find the vast majority of this thread very upsetting. I haven't seen the video in question, and yes, a professional educator is one thing, but attacking the obviously ignorent public is as damanble an act as ever. I thought the whole point of this hobby was to educate, and seeing that the event in question had a spectator in the first place tells me the goal of the event was to educate the public. Perhaps that was lost on you. The spectator was obvious there to better educate himself, hence his question.

Of course reenactors are going to be more well-read on any(and maybe every) subject than the average spectator, but isn't the whole point of the reenactment to share this knowledge with people? Yeah, the stated question may be a little over the top, but compared to the knowledge of (some) reenactors, isn't every spectator "stoopid"? People come out to reenactments expecting to be entertained, and maybe even learn something in the process, and are instead met with pretentious and self-serving attitudes by the people that are supposed to teach them. How rewarding can that be for people?

[BenjaminLDavis]

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Many years back, when Monty Python was at the very height of its popularity,
a man visited England and turned on the Television: he roared with laughter at
what he thought to be one of the most brilliantly written Python skits ever . . .
until after some 15 minutes of programming, when he realized it was a real show!

We have the same situation here - had I seen this without warning, I would have
thought this the most brilliant and biting parody I had seen in many a day . . .
but it is not. It is muddled, rambling and filled with errors. And yet, it almost
transcends its own inanity, and enters the realm of a really bad Japanese monster
movie ~ so bad it is falling-down funny. Almost.
The sticking point here is that this is presented as education, as history.

Boil the salt out of the pork, and you have left only this ~ misinformation passing itself off as truth.
Not funny at all.

[tater_cuffie]

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"Hello,
Here is more drivel to befuddle your mind. I once had an apparent American spectator say to me: "If George Washington was a Virginian, why did he lead the Union Army?" I kindly reminded him that he was all ^%&$*% up on his timeline. Then I walked away."
Mr. Schoepfel,

Atleast they didn't ask if you we're sittin by a real fire, or if that was real bacon you're cookin. It's like seriously? ha ha, No, I'm cookin tofo!

[lojafan]

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Agree with Mr. Pretzl. I have no problem with answering the "dumb" question that a spectator has, but with some people I wonder if they have common sense at all. No we do not use bullets, yes I am hot in the 110 degree heat wearing a full suit of wool, No I am not amish, yes the fire is real, YES this bacon is real, and YES THE DAMN BABY IS REAL! Apologies.

[AZReenactor]

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Bernie,
You may need to get out to more events or perhaps I should be glad to learn that the many ignorant, uneducated reenactors I've encountered over the years are a bizarre anomaly, and not part of a statistical cross section. ;)

At mainstream events here in the far West far too often, I've found the public in need of education is other reenactors, not the 'tators. (Lest this become an Us vs. them issue let me say it is not because 'streamers are inherently more ignorant, but because immersion events are generally in first person where it is hard to tell if someone is role playing their ignorance or is really ignorant.) For a really interesting education drop into a reenactment in modern clothes and listen to what is being taught sometime. There is good reason that academics frequently discount the education of/by many reenactors.

I suggest that this lady likely picked up bits and pieces of her misunderstanding from reenactors, not that she was quoting a reenactor verbatim. Listening to her presentation it sounded to me like a game of telephone with a cavalry reenactor. Carbines were their musket. Carrying and changing barrels out? Sounds somewhat similar to the oft stated mainstream cavalry reenactorism of carrying extra cylinders. Down in Texas there is a group that regularly brings out their Gatling gun to mainstream reenactments and I wouldn't doubt she and they crossed paths where they espoused their defense for fielding their piece of history. It sounded to me like she encountered a reenactor or group of reenactors who tried to fill her head full of civil war minutia (correct and incorrect) and that she failed to go back and review it and compare to actual reference material before presenting the understanding she gained from that encounter.

In education it isn't the student who is obligated to "get it", it is the obligation of the educator to make sure they are disseminating correct information in a manner where it can be clearly understood and internalized by the learner. It takes more than regurgitating one's "information" to educate others, and this goes for reenactors who declare themselves history experts, as well as for school teachers. Before one can be a good teacher, they should first learn to be a very good student.

My hypothesis is that all too often reenactors claim that they do what they do in order "to educate the public" but education, as this video should remind us, requires much more than dressing up and espousing second hand interpretations of what one thinks they were told. It would be better for a good many to admit that they do their hobby for no more noble reason than to get out of the house, dress up and play soldier with real guns and black powder, then have a few drinks with their pards while telling lies around a campfire late into the evening...

I don't know of any military reenactor, on any level, ultimate farb to uber-campaigner, who would be so utterly uneducated and unlearned about their weapon as to espouse the "information" this lady is disseminating.

At best, she has gooped up what she has heard all by herself. At worst.....heaven only knows where she came up with it.

[Steve Acker]

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Brain,
What high school did you go to? I too had a class in high school like that. It was at Lakeland High in White Lake Michigan. Great class and awesome instructor in Bob Buchta.

Steve Acker

[thad gallagher]

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Not to mention that there is a whole series of her giving lessons on various subjects. I just can not bring myself to watch any of them though. WTF!!!

[10TnVI]

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Had to watch her medieval ones(my other hobby world)-they were just as badly screwed up and delivered in the same unprofessional manner. To here here tell it- the middle ages were ended by a conspiracy of the black death (1348),the printing press(1440)and the protestant reformation(1517+).