Albert Pike

[hardeeflag]

I have a question regarding CS General Albert Pike and his writings. I know there are several on this board who are involved in freemasonry. I have a question . . . you must be familiar of the writings of Albert Pike – Morals and Dogma, etc? If so can you explain the statements by Albert Pike in the book regarding lucifer and Pike’s elevation of lucifer as god and statements regarding the luciferian doctrine? My research of Pike is that he was heavily into the ancient mystery religions of babylon etc, and the occult. Just curious what your take is on this?

With my understanding of reading Isaiah 14 and Genesis 6 in the Bible, I am taken aback by these writings and why anyone claiming such doctrines be honored with a statue in Washington DC. I genuinely curious about this.

[Justin Runyon]

Re: Albert Pike

Pike was an extremely intelligent and complicated fellow. In "Morals & Dogma", Pike attempted to pretty much write everything he thought or knew about everything with regard to religion. As such, the length and depth of the book (861 pages with a 216 page index) lends itself to be very hard to understand, and quite easy to take the wrong way. From those nearly 1000 pages, the only mention of Lucifer comes from just three lines and it does not refer to Lucifer as the Christian concept of Satan.

This article should help to shed some light on the man and the myth. I know I speak for other brothers when I thank you for formulating a fair question, rather than jumping to conclusions and knee jerk reactions.

http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm

[hardeeflag]

Re: Albert Pike

Thanks for your reply, but I am skeprical of this interpretation of lucifer personally. I have read signifantly on this subject, and noncanonical scriptures found in the dead sea scrolls which include the Enoch 1 - which details the background of Isaiah 14 in which the name lucifer is specifically mentioned in the KJV of the Bible and the background of the ideal of "fallen angels" in which lucerfer is referenced. Also the book of Jubilees.

But I also give the following to counter the idea of the masonic interpretation of lucifer as "light bearer" . . .

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Luke 10:18

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

But I have also tied some of Pike's ideologies to subsequent peolple down the line who support the same theories of Pike. Notably Madam Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Alestar Crowley, Adlof Hitler, Manly P Hall. who's ideals come all the way today by corporate members of the UN and clearly outline occult teachings.

I also find curious the letter Albert Pike wrote to Giuseppe Mazzini in 1871. It is not the forum to post such letter but I leave it to the reader to seek out the matter. This letter was apparently housed at some point British Museum but is seemingly missing now so I only verbalt reference it.

I find Pike to have been quite intelligent and deliberate man. He knew what he was writing, but what was that deliberateness can only be determined by intense study. He seems to be held in very high regard by fellow Freemasons, despite his controversial wirtings and personal actions during the War and after, as his statue located at 3rd and D Streets, N.W. in downtown Washington, D.C.

All I can suggest is one use discernment in these teachings and follow nothing that is accompanies a of privledge and access of the material world.

I thank you for your reply.

[Justin Runyon]

Re: Albert Pike

It is important to note that Pike's writings should not be considered "Masonic interpretation" but rather Pike's interpretation.

As far as the rest of this goes, you are right, this is not the forum for such discussions.

[BrianHicks]

Re: Albert Pike

Pike's writing "Moral and Dogma' is not known to most Masons. Those whom have taken the Scottish Rites of Freemasonry are more familiar with him, and his writings than most other Masons, but this is more so because he re-structured, re-codified and basically re-wrote the degrees in the Scottish Rites of Freemasonry as they are known here in America, and not as a result of having actually read any of his writings.

Pike was a student of international religions (modern and ancient), and much of what he wrote was influenced by his studies of other than what we know of as western Christian thoughts and beliefs.