Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

[maillemaker]

Wasn't sure where to post this, but I thought folks would be interested in knowing that Pedersoli has their P1853 up on their web site now.

Rumor had it that they bought some Euroarms tooling. I'm not sure how this one rates but anyway it is up on their site.

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipologia-prodotti.asp/l_en/idt_80/rifles-enfield.html

[dixieflyer]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Pedersoli producing the Enfields that Euroarms has been selling for years? As I understand it, there is hardly a repro black-powder firearm from Italy that doesn't involve Pedersoli in some shape, form, or fashion.

Warren Dickinson

[maillemaker]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

I don't know. I'm brand new to this hobby and am still learning the ins and outs. The way I thought I heard it was Euroarms went out of business and Pedersoli "bought their tooling"? Maybe it was theirs all along! :)

Steve

[dixieflyer]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Steve,
I could well be wrong, and lord knows I've destroyed my share of brain cells over the years and especially since I left CW in the late 90's, but to the best of my knowledge, Pedersoli has its fingers in every pie so to speak when it comes to repro black powder firearms made in Italy. As I said though, I coould be wrong.

Warren Dickinson

[stri volunteer]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Euroarms made the US 1861 sold by Pedersoli, so it was the other way around.
I have that on pretty good authority (The Civil War Musket: A Handbook for Historical Accuracy).

[fahnenschmied]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Well, not too spectacular. In the sorry pictures, it is hard to tell if it has Baddely bands or not - but it has the same stupid non authentic hammer that all repros not made in India have, poorly shaped lock panels, poorly shaped wrist and comb. I would guess nobody bothered to decorate it with authentic lock or barrel stampings either. Doesn't look too promising.

[maillemaker]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Yes, I, too, am annoyed by the quality of the pictures on their web site. Their "magnifying" tool does not do anything but pixilate the image. I have emailed them suggesting better pictures. It's disappointing that they have not made improvements to the design.

Steve

[maillemaker]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Update from Pedersoli:

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/notizie-armi-dettaglio.asp/l_en/idne_32/civil-war-guns.html

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Hallo!

In brief and to over generalize...

Pedersoli bought out Euroarms. They said they would continued production.

Their website says that they are "studying" markings. It does not say they have introdueced Period markings.
Their website says that they are "continuing production" (read as terh Euroarms line). It does not say they had changed any machinery or tooling.

I am cynical, and will wait until I see some exmaples of the new Pedersoli/Euroarms line as to whether it is not just PEdersoi produicng Euroarms with Euroarms machinery to PEdersoly QC standards of fit and finish as reflected in the price boost.

In brief and over generalize, the Italian firearm industry is based in the Brescia Factory industrial area. If one is not buying a Euroarms made on one side of the street, one is buying an ARmi Sport or PEdersoli made on the other.

:)

We shall.. see. But I do not hold my breath.

Curt

[Lance Stifle]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Hello Curt
I always learn something more whenever I read your posts, so much so that nowadays I look for them !
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.

Kim Stewart-Gray

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Hallo!

I have had my ear to the wind, and have heard this...

To quote directly from Pedersoli:

"We are gathering together all the historical information for the proper marks and features to have the guns approved by the most important re-enactment associations, like NSSA and others.
The guns will also feature American walnut stocks, making them lighter of about 1lbs and will be equipped with our premium match grade barrels to be accurate also for the target shooting.
Please do spread the word among your friends re-enactors, we need your help to reach all of them."

Hmmmmm.

I have been part of "campaigns" "appealing" to the various Italian makers to "improve' their Enfield line, and have read of many more over the years.

Cynical and jaded, what I personally see or think I see is that the Italians admit they "know little about" US firearms.. which bothers me becasue numerous lads have shared much with them over the years and they have ignored it because "we" keep buying tens or hundreds of of thousands of their guns just the way the made... BUT

Rather than having a grasp of the numbers of reenactors who would be the potential market for a retooled new line of more "authentic" CW firearms, they have taken their cue and lead from the vastly smaller numbers of North-South Skirmish Association "Skirmishers" who are NUG costumed competition shooters (I can say that because I was a member for 17 years... ;) :) )

Meaning,

FRom the "purported editor of Pedersoli's blackpowder magazine himself, the "new line" of Pedersoli remakes of Euroarms' line will be:

"Pedersoli is just starting this product line. They planned to take over the Euroarms line, but now they have to change many things to have the fully accurate rifle copies. They are going to produce their own barrels, with the correct riflings: 1:72" 3 grooves for Springfield and Richmond 3 band, 1:78" 3 grooves for Enfield 3 bands, 1:48" 5 grooves for Enfield 2 band. There are two quality levels at Pedersoli: 1st PMG, 2nd all other. All Pedersoli PMG (Pedersoli Match Grade) barrels have a kind of progressive depth rifling thanks to the manufacturing process. They are lead lapped from the rear, so the dia between the lands at the muzzle is usally smaller than at the breech. So it is not the traditional progressive rifling of the originals. By now I can't tell you wich category the rifle musket barrels will be, but if they use the same technique as with the 1857 Mauser rifles, we can be sure that their rifles will be deadly accurate. The 1857 won many-many international medals so far."

Okay then. They are, have, other than adding the Pedersoli QC and fit and finish quality... ONLY changed the rates of twist and depth of rifling to make more competitvely accurate guns for... the N-SSA shooters.

Maybe with all of the research and documentation on original arms we have sent them for years, and are still sending them now... the improvements reenactors and living historians want/need to see will come our way in... Round Two?

Hahahahahahahahaa! ;) :) Sorry, the cynical and jaded side of Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde got loose. There, that's better. I"m back. We shall "see."

Curt
Sith Lord Mess

[GPM]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Same conversation going on at the NSSA forum. Even though the use of the musket is different I think the desire for an authentic example is the same. The one called Space Cowboy is the editor of Pedersoli's black powder magazine. Maybe they will listen this time.

http://n-ssa.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15131

[dixieflyer]

Re: Pedersoli has their P1853 up now.

Too bad Enfields did not use American Walnut. :(