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  • Enfield bayonet identification

    I need a bayonet expert to help me out with identifying a bayonet. I purchased it online so I wasn't able to try it on my rifle, but I did a lot of research to make sure I was getting what I wanted. My research said that the 17-18" blade Enfield bayonets were made for the 1853 Enfield, and the next pattern of bayonet made for the Martini-Henry had around 22" blades. Unfortunately, while this bayonet does have a 17" blade, the socket diameter is too small to fit my Armi-Sport Enfield. It matches the socket diameter of my original Martini-Henry bayonet. So, was there a transition period when shorter bladed bayonets were made for smaller caliber rifles?

    I can't get a photo loaded, but here are the markings from top to bottom. If anyone knows how to read bayonet markings, I'd like to know what these mean.
    The first mark is a large "E" and on the left side of the E is a faint "59" marked sideways.
    Below the E is "10/73" (I believe this is the month it was made or accepted)
    Next is "81"
    At the bottom are two letters which look like D and W but they are sideways and facing opposite each other. This is not the War Department mark unless they omitted the arrow and flipped one of the letters.
    Tyler D. Scott

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    Re: Enfield bayonet identification

    Hallo!

    My guess is that it is a modified P1853 socket bayonet made for the new Martini-Henry Mark I which came out in 1871. IIRC, without looking it up... the longer 22 inch blade version and with the straight blade came out in 1876 for the MH Mark II's.

    What the British did, is braze a sleeve inside of the P1853 bayonet socket to fit the MH barrel.

    Off hand, with your eye or a magnifying glass, see if you can detect evdience of a sleeve at the front or back end of the socket.

    Oh, British markings are complicatred, their NUG being "E" for Enfield Lock production and the numvber of the inspector, sub-inspector's numbers, the month and date it was inspected and taken into government service, and the government (War Department) stamp of ownership. Plus other "spurious" markings.

    Curt
    Curt Schmidt
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

    -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
    -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
    -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
    -Vastly Ignorant
    -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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    • #3
      Re: Enfield bayonet identification

      You did not say how much too small the socket was. It is not unusual for original P53 bayonets not to fit the repro enfields. If it is close to fitting it may be workable if you don't mind doing a little filing on an original bayonet.
      Jim Mayo
      Portsmouth Rifles, Company G, 9th Va. Inf.

      CW Show and Tell Site
      http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/j_mayo/index.html

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      • #4
        Re: Enfield bayonet identification

        I don't have a caliper handy, and measuring the diameter of the socket is difficult, but I would say it measures a hair shy of 3/4". According to the measurements on this website (http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/brit1853.htm), I wouldn't say my example is within a reasonable tolerance of an 1853 model compared to the Martini-Henry.

        I checked for signs of a sleeve and couldn't really see anything obvious. Is it usually easy to distinguish?
        Tyler D. Scott

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        • #5
          Re: Enfield bayonet identification

          Hallo!

          "I checked for signs of a sleeve and couldn't really see anything obvious. Is it usually easy to distinguish?"

          Sometimes yes, sometimes no.





          The VERY first CW original I ever purchased, as a Newcomer, was a P1853 socket bayonet sold to me by a Gettysburg dealer. Alas, it was a Martini-Henry Mark 1 bushed bayonet. :) Schwindelschtick.

          After that, as with US M1855 and M1873 bayonets, I developed a very handy pass/fail tool for a quick socket check- how far my index finger went into it... :)

          An original Enfield P1853 bayonet (rather than a MH Mk 1 pre 1876ish rebushed P1853 has a socket front outside diameter of 15/16 inches, and an socket front inside diameter of 25/32 inches.

          And for a sampling of markings including the bayonet being renumbered:



          Curt
          Curt Schmidt
          In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

          -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
          -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
          -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
          -Vastly Ignorant
          -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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