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  • Buck and Ball Spread Pattern

    Gents-

    When the War started most of the boys marched off carrying older smoothbores before the Springfield 61 and Enfield 53 became well stocked in the arsenals. And one of the cartridges they would have fired from those old smoothbores would be .69 caliber buck and ball rounds. One .69 caliber round ball and 3-.31 caliber round buckshot. I wanted to see what kind of spread pattern a .69 caliber buck and ball would give when fired so I had some made up to find out.

    I fired them from a repro model 1842 Springfield smoothbore made by armisport.

    The target was placed at 35 yards. The target was placed on a stake so that it was 3-5 feet off the ground. The paper target itself is about 20" in diameter. As you can see from the pictures the spread pattern is still fairly tight at this distance but the buckshot are starting to go their seperate ways.

    Using the .69 caliber hole as point zero. The first buckshot on the left is 5" from point zero. The second buckshot upper right is 7" from point zero and the buckshot lower right is 7-3/4" from point zero.
    Last edited by Cumpston1862; 09-11-2012, 08:16 AM. Reason: Added distance between the buckshot
    Louis Zenti

    Pvt. Albert R. Cumpston (Company B, 12th Illinois Vol. Inf.-W.I.A. February 15, 1862)
    Pvt. William H. Cumpston (Company B, 12th Illinois Vol. Inf.-K.I.A. February 15, 1862 Ft. Donelson)
    Pvt. Simon Sams (Co. C, 18th Iowa Inf.-K.I.A. January 8, 1863 Springfield, MO)
    Pvt. Elisha Cox (Co. C, 26th North Carolina Inf.-W.I.A. July 3, 1863 Gettysburg)

    "...in the hottest of the fight, some of the rebs yelled out...them must be Iowa boys". Charles O. Musser 29th Iowa Infantry

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    Re: Buck and Ball Spread Pattern

    Hallo!

    The Washington Arsenal trials for February 17, 1860 had 50 round fire by volley, and fire by file, and as skirmishers of ten men at 150 and 200 yards to judge the effects.

    Obviously, the further away, the greater the spread.

    150 yards, volley fire: 36 balls, and 79 buckshot

    150 yards, fire by file: 35 balls, and 82 buckshot

    150 yards, skirmish fire: 31 balls, and 84 buckshot

    200 yards, volley fire: 18 balls, and 31 buckshot

    200 yards, fire by file: 22 balls, and 23 buckshot

    200 yards, skirmish fire: 22 or 20 (written over) balls, and 19 buckshot

    Curt
    Curt Schmidt
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

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    • #3
      Re: Buck and Ball Spread Pattern

      Curt-

      Do you know the size of the target they were shooting at for those distances?
      Louis Zenti

      Pvt. Albert R. Cumpston (Company B, 12th Illinois Vol. Inf.-W.I.A. February 15, 1862)
      Pvt. William H. Cumpston (Company B, 12th Illinois Vol. Inf.-K.I.A. February 15, 1862 Ft. Donelson)
      Pvt. Simon Sams (Co. C, 18th Iowa Inf.-K.I.A. January 8, 1863 Springfield, MO)
      Pvt. Elisha Cox (Co. C, 26th North Carolina Inf.-W.I.A. July 3, 1863 Gettysburg)

      "...in the hottest of the fight, some of the rebs yelled out...them must be Iowa boys". Charles O. Musser 29th Iowa Infantry

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      • #4
        Re: Buck and Ball Spread Pattern

        Hallo!

        10 square feet. (four 2.5 foot panels)
        Curt
        Curt Schmidt
        In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

        -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
        -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
        -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
        -Vastly Ignorant
        -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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        • #5
          Re: Buck and Ball Spread Pattern

          Thanks Curt!

          I figured it had to be a pretty large target.
          Louis Zenti

          Pvt. Albert R. Cumpston (Company B, 12th Illinois Vol. Inf.-W.I.A. February 15, 1862)
          Pvt. William H. Cumpston (Company B, 12th Illinois Vol. Inf.-K.I.A. February 15, 1862 Ft. Donelson)
          Pvt. Simon Sams (Co. C, 18th Iowa Inf.-K.I.A. January 8, 1863 Springfield, MO)
          Pvt. Elisha Cox (Co. C, 26th North Carolina Inf.-W.I.A. July 3, 1863 Gettysburg)

          "...in the hottest of the fight, some of the rebs yelled out...them must be Iowa boys". Charles O. Musser 29th Iowa Infantry

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          • #6
            Re: Buck and Ball Spread Pattern

            if a man is 5 feet tall and 2 feet wide guess how many square feet that is? ;)
            [FONT="Book Antiqua"]"Grumpy" Dave Towsen
            Past President Potomac Legion
            Long time member Columbia Rifles
            Who will care for Mother now?[/FONT]

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            • #7
              Re: Buck and Ball Spread Pattern

              This is what I found out when I fired my Armi Sport 1842 with buck and ball rounds at a man sized target at 50 yards:

              I could hit a printer sized piece of paper all day long, the musket was more than capable. The few I missed (about 20% missed the paper) where due to my lack of skill with shooting offhand more than anything.

              Buckshot hit the target roughly 50% of the time. There was no pattern to where the three .31 balls landed; some were close to the center of mass, others varied widely.
              Tim Surprenant

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