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    Greetings Folks:

    Saw this article today. So, what do you think?

    For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

    Promoters of Memorabilia, Tourism, Re-enactments Say Public Seems Apathetic; Relics Aren't Selling

    By CAMERON MCWHIRTER
    April 10, 2014 10:33 p.m. ET

    Published in The Wall Street Journal - Here is the Link

    RINGGOLD, Ga.—Don Dodson's relic and metal detector store is a mini-museum of Civil War artifacts—bullets, guns, cannonballs—many of them found near this town where Union and Confederate armies once fought.When the war's 150th anniversary began three years ago, the 63-year-old wanted to see relics fly off the shelves. But with just one year left in the celebration, the shop's glass cases remain full.

    "We were hoping for more tourist traffic than we've seen," he says. "It was disappointing."

    Promoters of Civil War memorabilia, tourism and re-enactments across the country are fighting a losing battle against apathy for one of the most important periods in U.S. history—a cataclysmic event that shaped the nation and helped define its soul. Limited government funding to stage events and public unease over the divisive racial issues that the war represents are two factors for low turnout, say Civil War buffs.

    And younger Americans have other things on their minds, from social media to superheroes.

    "If it's a celebration, it's a celebration that the public is either not aware of or not interested in," sighs Jamie Delson, owner of the Toy Soldier Company, a mail-order business with a warehouse in Jersey City, N.J.

    For the anniversary in 2011 of the war's opening salvos, Mr. Delson developed special toy soldier sets marking famous Civil War battles, anticipating a bump in sales. Instead, his Civil War soldiers—from inexpensive plastic privates to a hand-painted metal version of Maj. Gen. George Pickett, asking price $325—make up only 5% of sales, behind figures from World War II and the American Revolution, he says.

    Louis Varnell opened the History Company, a military memorabilia store in Fort Oglethorpe, Ga., near Chickamauga battlefield, where more than 34,000 men were killed, wounded, reported missing or captured in an 1863 clash.

    "We were thinking the sesquicentennial was really going to help us out," says the 44-year-old former history schoolteacher and longtime re-enactor. In all of 2013, he only had two weekends when sales were good, he says. He sells more World War II collectibles "to keep the lights on," he says.

    Gary Gallagher, a Civil War expert at the University of Virginia, says the anniversary is "anemic" in part because Americans still find the subject uncomfortable. "It's hard to talk about if you don't mention race, emancipation and slavery," he says.

    Another major factor is widespread ignorance, says David Heidler, who co-edited the five-volume "Encyclopedia of the American Civil War" with his wife. "Significant numbers of people have no idea when the Civil War occurred, let alone what it was about," he says.

    A poll by Public Policy Polling last summer asked Georgians what they thought of Union Major Gen. William T. Sherman, once despised here for his destructive March to the Sea, which began in Atlanta. The poll found that most people don't care: Fifty-six percent had no opinion of Sherman at all and only 28% disliked him. In comparison, 63% disliked reality TV star Honey Boo Boo.

    Some events, including re-enactments last summer marking the July 1863 Battle of Gettysburg, have drawn large crowds. The Civil War Trust, a nonprofit that preserves battlefields, just surpassed its $40 million goal for a capital campaign tied to the anniversary and set a new goal of $50 million.

    But the war's enthusiasts worry that the lackluster anniversary marks a general retreat.

    Even at Gettysburg, the war's most famous battlefield, the numbers pale in comparison to the past: Nearly seven million people scampered along its rolling hills in the peak year of 1970, compared with 1.2 million last year, according to the National Park Service.

    "The whole thing sort of fizzled," says Steve Sylvia, editor of North South Trader's Civil War, a memorabilia magazine. "The shot in the arm that many of us were anticipating just never materialized."

    It wasn't always like this. The 1990 broadcast of the PBS documentary "The Civil War" by Ken Burns ignited obsessive public interest, leading to movies, books, battlefield visits and brigades of men joining re-enactments. Ed Mann, a re-enactor, says that when he traveled to the 135th anniversary of Gettysburg in 1998, 20,000 men in gray and blue took the field.

    Re-enactments this anniversary have been "shadows" of that event, says Mr. Mann, a 66-year-old Los Angeles attorney. And crowds gathering to watch have also fallen. An annual re-enactment in Long Beach drew about 3,500 paying attendees when it started several years ago, but it was canceled after 2012 when only about 1,000 showed up, Mr. Mann says.

    "If there are no light swords and aliens with huge special effects and cities disappearing, a lot of teenagers and early 20-somethings are just not interested," he says.

    In the South, Confederate heritage, once an intense point of pride, has been forgotten by many and to others is a source of embarrassment. A Civil War ball planned for this month in Prescott, Ark., was canceled after some community members were offended and "didn't want to celebrate that aspect of our history," says Bill Fish, president of the group that had organized the festivities.

    Nor have the country's politicians, generations removed from Abraham Lincoln and Robert E. Lee, widely embraced the war's remembrance.

    In 2011, President
    Barack Obama issued a proclamation urging people to observe the anniversary. But he didn't set up a federal commission to oversee events, and congressional efforts to do so died in committee. Many states, citing the poor economy, slashed budgets for commemorations.

    In Ringgold, Ga., a town of about 3,600 in Georgia's mountains about 90 miles northwest of Atlanta, town leaders, local companies and Civil War buffs raised about $120,000 in 2008 for a bronze statue of little-known Confederate Major Gen. Patrick Cleburne. He won the Battle of Ringgold Gap on Nov. 27, 1863, and some in town hoped the statue, the anniversary and Ringgold's location near Interstate 75 would draw tourists.

    Mr. Dodson says the statue and anniversary did little for his store, North Georgia Relics and Metal Detectors, started seven years ago. Today he makes most of his money selling metal detectors over the Internet, many to people looking for gold or objects unrelated to the Civil War, he says.

    At the small park where the Cleburne statue stands, no one came to visit on a recent weekday morning until Dave Van Dyke, 63, a retired factory worker who lives outside of town, parked his pickup to eat a breakfast burrito. Asked if he knew anything about Gen. Cleburne, he shrugged: "Not really."

    According to Mr. Van Dyke, every spring, when area farmers turned over their fields, "You used to see people looking for Civil War stuff with metal detectors. I haven't seen them out there in years."

    Link to the original article on the Wall Street Journal:
    Click Here.
    Last edited by Eric Tipton; 04-22-2014, 02:27 PM.
    ERIC TIPTON
    Former AC Owner

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    Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

    I have to agree that it does seem, sadly, that overall enthusiasm for the period (and history in general, for that matter) has dwindled among the general population. There could be several reasons for this, as mentioned in the article-other things competing for attention (especially among the younger crowd), the way the subject seems to be merely glossed over in school, political sensitivity toward issues that contributed to the war, etc. I also think that, at least to some degree, it may not be so much a lack of interest, as a lack of information. Over the years, I have spoken with many people regarding the hobby that either didn't know it existed previously or knew very little about it. And oftentimes they have expressed interest to at least attend, if not participate in, a reenactment. Personally, I grew up going to reenactments as a spectator, hearing stories about historical events from my father, and watching movies such as Gettysburg, Glory, Gods & Generals, etc. and have therefore had an intense interest in history for as long as I can remember. I think placing more emphasis on the subject than people tend to these days would help. Perhaps at some point there will even be another "surge" in interest that brings people flocking to such activities once again, even if the 150th Anniversary has failed to do so. In my opinion, things are just lying somewhat dormant and are in need of that "spark" to get people interested like they have been before.

    Just my two pennies worth.
    Shawn Sturgill
    Governor Guards
    SCAR

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    • #3
      Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

      I think our society in this country has been dumbed down in the last few years. People don't think about government, family, religion or daily events unless the news media broadcasts whatever for 24-7 on their smart phones. Our ancestors were much better "thinkers". Schools are also failing to teach history.
      Jim Mayo
      Portsmouth Rifles, Company G, 9th Va. Inf.

      CW Show and Tell Site
      http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/j_mayo/index.html

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      • #4
        Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

        It's the economy?

        Kevin Dally
        Kevin Dally

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        • #5
          Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

          I have been surprised at the lack of enthusiasm, but in previous big year events the leaders of our state and national governments paid more attention to it as well. Our 150th Commission in OK was a big flop. Members were enthusiastic, but it seemed no one else was. Lots of good ideas that never carried through on symposiums and such. I also think Jim Mayo hit on something, there is a pervasive ignorance of history in our nation. Everyone harps on math and science; guess what, no one knows who we are as a people or where we came from, how our government came to be, evolved and developed. The ignorance of our history is astounding when I talk to people, just basic stuff, concepts and principles, and no one cares. Also, so much of the history that is getting taught is revisionist with other agendas that undermine ideas of American Exceptionalism. I even heard of a HS history teacher who won an award for teaching history without wars; isn't that nice, one problem, wars have an effect on everything else in our society.
          Last edited by Pennvolunteer; 04-23-2014, 08:44 AM. Reason: spelling error
          Frank Siltman
          24th Mo Vol Inf
          Cannoneer, US Army FA Museum Gun Crew
          Member, Oklahoma Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission
          Company of Military Historians
          Lawton/Fort Sill, OK

          Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -- and claims a halo for his dishonesty.— Robert A. Heinlein

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          • #6
            Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

            As a history teacher I can tell you that the new "common core" that the nation is flocking to relegates history to second class status. I have been accused of teaching the history of war but that is where change happens. Next year, under Common Core, I will have 30% less class time than either math or science. If it doesn't train you for the workplace it doesn't matter.
            Mark Bridges
            Culleoka, Tennessee

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            • #7
              Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

              Now boys, we wouldn't want to offend anyone by teaching the real history of this Country...better to let Hollywood do it, and make everything warm and fuzzy.
              Tom "Mingo" Machingo
              Independent Rifles, Weevil's Mess

              Vixi Et Didici

              "I think and highly hope that this war will end this year, and Oh then what a happy time we will have. No need of writing then but we can talk and talk again, and my boy can talk to me and I will never tire of listening to him and he will want to go with me everywhere I go, and I will be certain to let him go if there is any possible chance."
              Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
              Company K, 45th Georgia Infantry
              KIA Petersburg, Virginia

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              • #8
                Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

                I was not around for the centennial and I was not mature enough during the 125th to really pay attention to the good or bad that was going on than. So in regards to the 150th. I do know the CWPT met their goal of 40 million dollars to be collected during the 150th a year early and they are going for 50 million now. That seems like a pretty big deal to me on the positive side. The efforts I have seen and heard about at Franklin are inspiring as well. We have seen Walmart out in Virginia and the casino groups in Gettysburg turned back. Are there setbacks...sure...always will be but we are moving in the right direction in preservation seems to me.

                The burden of increasing the public's awareness and knowledge of the Civil War will fall on the organizations that champion this time period more and more. The Sons of Union Veterans, the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the many living history/reenactment groups out there will need to make the effort to keep the Civil War alive and relative to future generations. I am certainly not implying these groups have not been doing that already but the burden will be increasingly theirs/ours as time goes by.

                To those of us that are getting older and not able to shoulder a musket like we once did perhaps rather than getting out of the hobby completely we should stay in but put honest impressions forward that we can handle. There were many support units behind the lines that are under represented in the hobby. To those that are doing this and have been for many years I salute your efforts.

                I would say don't get down by all the people who were looking to cash-in on the 150th Anniversaries and make big bucks...and it didn't happen for them.

                My Two Cent Piece.
                Last edited by Cumpston1862; 04-22-2014, 08:56 PM.
                Louis Zenti

                Pvt. Albert R. Cumpston (Company B, 12th Illinois Vol. Inf.-W.I.A. February 15, 1862)
                Pvt. William H. Cumpston (Company B, 12th Illinois Vol. Inf.-K.I.A. February 15, 1862 Ft. Donelson)
                Pvt. Simon Sams (Co. C, 18th Iowa Inf.-K.I.A. January 8, 1863 Springfield, MO)
                Pvt. Elisha Cox (Co. C, 26th North Carolina Inf.-W.I.A. July 3, 1863 Gettysburg)

                "...in the hottest of the fight, some of the rebs yelled out...them must be Iowa boys". Charles O. Musser 29th Iowa Infantry

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                • #9
                  Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

                  I remember the close of the 125's thinking, "Wow! I can't wait to see what the 150's will be like!" Back then, the war was in the public consciousness with "Blue and the Gray" and "North and South" (both the books and the mini-series'). Then came "Glory". Then came Ken Burns. Then came the 135th's, and we thought, "Wow!!!! I can't imagine what the 150th's will be like!!" By then we had the History Channel and the AC started really going.

                  Since then, the uncomfortable issue of slavery and the increased awareness of racial equality (or lack thereof… depending on one's perspective) makes "celebrating" the war more of a touchy subject in the public sphere.

                  Add to that, "The Unfinished Civil War". This show may not have been the coup de gras against the hobby, but it sure marked a sharp turn in both public perception of Civil War reenactors (I think other time-periods generally get a "pass", deserved or not) and our portrayal in the media.

                  Then, you have 9/11, followed by a decade+ of war.
                  Then, you have the crash of '08, from which we've still not recovered.

                  People aren't interested.

                  …but, that's no reason to think the hobby will die.
                  My kids love the hobby. They know more 19th Century songs than the average well-educated non-history buff. We talk about history at home. We visit historic places on vacation.

                  If you can get a kid's attention at an event, you're doing a GREAT thing! Kids "get" the hobby and it sparks their interest like touch-screen and relic displays in museums can't.

                  The cycle will come around again. People will continue to be interested.
                  John Wickett
                  Former Carpetbagger
                  Administrator (We got rules here! Be Nice - Sign Your Name - No Farbisms)

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                  • #10
                    Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

                    John, great perspective. There is interest in the time period, and with reenacting. We've had more young people contact the home group beginning last year, than in the past 5 years.

                    Gas prices have not been mentioned. It is tough to justify driving 6 or more hours to events when gas is going up.. again. I saw a meme on facebook that had a photo of a Gas Station with 99 cent gas. Last time gas was like that was 1999, and I was going to the Averysboro event. Then try to arrange a carpool to lessen the costs, and 'enactor math starts to pop up. It is tough.
                    Herb Coats
                    Armory Guards &
                    WIG

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                    • #11
                      Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

                      As much as it pains me to say this, the hobby needs a big blockbuster movie smash that is on par with Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, etc. These movies filled the WWII reenacting world. They energized and brought a young energy to it. The reason likely being is those movies were "realistic", blood, gore and guts. That is what a young generation is craving to see. Gettysburg, GaG, etc. don't have that realism that a video game or movie nowadays has, the younger generation has been swelled with the "realism" of war, either by media, film or video games. Even if it may not be real, their perception is their reality.

                      Steven Spielberg, someone big, needs to create a Band of Brothers Mini Series that presents the war, as it was for the common soldier. No lost cause, no states rights, no real political issues. Just following what the war and soldiering was like for Billy Yank and Johnny Reb...keep it simple.

                      That's my opinion at least.
                      Brandon English

                      "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell."--William T. Sherman

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                      • #12
                        Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

                        Originally posted by BrandonEnglish View Post
                        As much as it pains me to say this, the hobby needs a big blockbuster movie smash that is on par with Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, etc. These movies filled the WWII reenacting world. They energized and brought a young energy to it. The reason likely being is those movies were "realistic", blood, gore and guts. That is what a young generation is craving to see. Gettysburg, GaG, etc. don't have that realism that a video game or movie nowadays has, the younger generation has been swelled with the "realism" of war, either by media, film or video games. Even if it may not be real, their perception is their reality.

                        Steven Spielberg, someone big, needs to create a Band of Brothers Mini Series that presents the war, as it was for the common soldier. No lost cause, no states rights, no real political issues. Just following what the war and soldiering was like for Billy Yank and Johnny Reb...keep it simple.

                        That's my opinion at least.
                        I agree there, too. I posted a thread over in the Sinks about a Civil War mini-series that's in the same vein as Band of Brothers and how I thought it would be good for the AC community to know about because it could help bring the Civil War back into the consciousness of the country and revive/start an interest in living histories and reenacting, but the thread must have been deleted because I couldn't find it.

                        I also agree that gas prices definitely hurt. I just filled up yesterday and it was $3.29/gallon. So far, I've been to the 150th for Shiloh and Gettysburg and that's all I can afford to do because when I plan on making an event, unless there is somebody to carpool with, my gas bill alone is in the hundreds of dollars. Plus, I HATE driving through Wyoming and Nebraska. And carpooling is really difficult because I honestly think that I'm the only Utahn on the AC.

                        Another thing, that I think may only apply to being in a western state that didn't exist prior to the Civil War, is that even though the Civil War was a national thing back then, it's almost like it's a regional thing today. What I mean is, here in Utah, nothing happened Civil War related other than some California regiments being stationed at Ft. Douglas in Salt Lake City. Utah was only a territory and so nothing really happened. There aren't any battlefields or anything else that remind the population that the Civil War was fought here. To people here, the Civil War not only happened 150 years ago, it also happened "back east," and I believe, in part, that that has to do with the fact that history is not in the forefront of people's minds today due to many reasons.
                        Kenny Pavia
                        24th Missouri Infantry

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                        • #13
                          Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

                          To be fair to the 150th, I honestly don't think is really has much to do with people having a lack of interest as much as it does a down economy and people not travelling for vacations anymore.

                          This is a trend that is effecting museums and historic sites across the country, especially places like Colonial Williamsburg. My museum's visitorship has seen a gradual climb in the last 3 years, but 75,000 visitors in 2013 still doesn't compare to 150,000-200,000 visitors that we saw annually in the mid 90's. Companies like PGAV Destinations have invested intense amounts of money into studying "The Family Vacation" and the reality is people are just staying home these days...

                          My .02...
                          Shaun A. Pekar
                          Artificer Shoemaker
                          Fort Ticonderoga Association

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                          • #14
                            Re: For Civil-War Buffs, 150-Year Anniversary Has Been Disappointing So Far

                            Originally posted by BrandonEnglish View Post
                            Steven Spielberg, someone big, needs to create a Band of Brothers Mini Series that presents the war, as it was for the common soldier. No lost cause, no states rights, no real political issues. Just following what the war and soldiering was like for Billy Yank and Johnny Reb...keep it simple.
                            Agreed.
                            I've also thought that "Si Klegg" would make a good project. There is a lot of great material there, either for a TV show, movie series, or a series of short films.
                            John Wickett
                            Former Carpetbagger
                            Administrator (We got rules here! Be Nice - Sign Your Name - No Farbisms)

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