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    Saw this posted on Facebook today by Eric Mink. The article is from the Fredericksburg newspaper, The Freelance Star. Without getting into modern politics, what is your reaction to this article? Is this the prevailing thought we are facing with the public right now? What do you think?

    Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

    BY DONNIE JOHNSTON/THE FREE LANCE-STAR
    Posted 13 hours ago

    I am so sick of hearing people cry about “hallowed ground” I could scream.

    Everywhere a Union or Confederate soldier set his chamber pot is now declared “hallowed ground.”

    You can’t build a store because there may be a Minié ball somewhere in the ground. Housing developments get axed because some farmer once plowed up a rusty bayonet in that field. You can’t construct a road because some soldier once fired a cannon from that spot.

    This is all getting absurd.

    Yes, the Civil War figures prominently in our country’s history, but the surrender at Appomattox was 150 years ago. Get over it and let’s get on with life.

    Why people are so adamant about glorifying war—any war—is beyond me. Ask anybody who ever fought in one and they will tell you that war is indeed hell.

    People kill other people in wars. They blow their heads off—literally. They disembowel fathers and sons and brothers with cannons and mortars.

    Soldiers lose their arms, their legs, their feet and their hands in wars. You want to glorify that?

    I’m not a fan of war and I certainly don’t celebrate killing. As Jimmy Stewart once said, the only people who win wars are the undertakers.

    We talk of the soldiers who fought the Civil War as if they were holy vessels sent down by the Almighty to purify the Earth. These were people like you and me—some good, some bad.

    Few fought because there was some holy cause involved. Most of the Confederates fought mostly because they resented being invaded by the Yankees. Most of the Federals fought because they wanted to teach Johnny Reb a lesson.

    The Civil War began because big landowners in the South wanted to keep black people enslaved. You can sugarcoat it all you want, but slavery was what that conflict was all about. You want to glorify slavery?

    Those big landowners—the aristocracy—were the political leaders of the South and they developed political policy. The average guy who had never owned a slave just got caught up in the excitement and the politics of the day.

    Yes, the slaves were freed as a result of the Civil War. But then America proceeded to treat black people like dirt for another 100 years. It was only after the Civil War centennial that black children were even allowed to sit next to white children in many public schools.

    Civil War soldiers killed, looted, stole and burned homes and outbuildings. If you see glory in that, you’ve got better vision than I.

    Six miles from where I live, a wounded Union soldier was executed in the bed where he was convalescing—shot in the head at point-blank range—as a means of revenge. You want to glorify that?

    My great-grandfather went off to war on a lark, leaving his wife and children to almost starve to death. He came home and wasted away with dysentery. That was some glorious death.

    Now we want to save every inch of ground trod upon by every Federal and Confederate. Why? Well, partly so that re-enactors can line up, fire blank shells and show us what the war was like.

    If these people want to show us what the war was like, let them fire real bullets and cannon and then accept only the type of medical help that was available during the Civil War.

    Let us watch a few limbs being amputated with hacksaws and without anesthesia or antibiotics. Let’s see how romantic that is.

    Enough is enough. We don’t glorify World War I or World War II or even the Revolutionary War, where we won our independence. It is only the Civil War that seems to excite us.

    Yes, we should honor our history, but we can’t save every inch of soil that was part of the Civil War. If we did, most of Virginia would be an empty field.

    As for this “hallowed ground” business, no war is a holy war. War is an atrocity, no matter which side is in the right.

    We can respect the men who fought in the Civil War without stripping landowners of their rights 150 years after the fact. The re-enactors can still play soldier and have a high old time, but let the people have homes and let the roads pass.

    Like we do with most everything else, Americans take history and run it into the [hallowed] ground.

    The Civil War is over. Let’s move on. The good earth was put here for us to use, not to glorify because one man killed another man at some particular spot.

    ​Donnie Johnston: djohnston@freelancestar.com

    Read the Original Article Here: http://m.fredericksburg.com/news/loc....html?mode=jqm
    ERIC TIPTON
    Former AC Owner

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    Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

    Wow. I'm not sure, but this guy seems to be missing something. His facts aren't exactly correct either. I think one reason Civil War looms large with preservation and keeping the memory alive of the folks that experienced it, is that fact that it was recent in terms of time. Plus this country's huge technology surge inside of a hundred years keeps it in front of us in a lot of different ways. Next generation relatives of these veterans and citizens only very recently passed away in the scope of time. I guess to me 150 years is just a tick on the timeline of all history, but the CW is not ancient...not yet anyhow. You just can't move on and act like it didn't happen. Especially because your upset about slowing development or whatever. I wonder if any Europeans feel like this guy with all the battles they have had to endure on their grounds.
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    • #3
      Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

      Got pushed out of my first attempt!!!! I think we suffer worse than this author's attitude, although I have heard it expressed. It is more ignorance and general indifference. While the author is not indifferent, he does display a good deal of ignorance:
      His reasons why men fought are simplistic and not things I have seen often in letters. (I have never read "I am going to fight this war to teach Johnny Reb a lesson")
      He seems unaware of the Rev war hobby. While having shrunk, it was quite the rage during the Bi-Ci....And WWII is the emerging military timeframe hobby. The too, is his claiming that land is being preserved so that re-enactors can burn powder. As we rarely have the opportunity to do so on original ground, this point is erroneous.

      While he does point out the horror of war, he neglects to say how he would preserve history. He also overlooks the towering significance of the Civil War...I will give him the point about battle events. Yes, they can be a cause for discomfort as one, they are not real and two, they do appear to make the War a carnival. Maybe he ought to attend some living history events...And bring along the public, who knows, something might just be learned!
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      • #4
        Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

        I guess he would like to get right on building a fishing pier over the USS Arizona, or maybe put a BMW plant at Auschwitz. I don't think he realizes it, but it is the mindset he is arguing for.

        Derek Carpenter
        Derek Carpenter
        Starr's Battery

        "First at Bethel, farthest at Gettysburg and Chickamauga, last at Appomattox"

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        • #5
          Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

          You all might run out of patience with "Hallowed Ground" too if you lived in Fredericksburg. But if that fellow should ever want to understand how lucky he is he needs to drive a couple of hours north to that crossroads in PA... ;)
          Michael A. Schaffner

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          • #6
            Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

            After visiting Northern Virginia on occasions, it sure is nice to have some of that open space preserved not only because it is historically important, but because we don't need to build on every inch of land. Northern Virginia is crowded enough, but I bet people like to go to the Manassas battlefield and have break from all the hustle and bustle even if they don't read the monuments or know what happened. Sounds like this guy is just irritated because he couldn't build his mini mansion where he wanted it. The world is full of them.
            Don Woods
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            • #7
              Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

              Take this with a grain of salt I say. Dying print media spouts more of this kind of effort in an attempt to stir strong feelings and drive viewership/website hits. There is very little real opinion based on research here. What kinds of businesses are being turned away? Are jobs lost? What kinds of homes? Those for the disadvantaged, or those for the elite rich of D.C. who want to get away from the metro area as the sprawl of the nation's capital continues. This seems like an op-ed type piece and is basically trolling an issue that has triggered strong feelings in the past several years in Fredericksburg. But that's my opinion. Maybe someone working in newsprint could comment. Matt Lakin??
              Greg Swank
              49th IN Co. F
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              • #8
                Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

                I think you're right, Greg. Clickbait from another dying newspaper desperate for hits. I don't even know where to start here. I can't believe this person actually gets paid (albeit probably not much) to write about anything. They seem to have little understanding of history, American society, battlefield preservation, the difference between memorializing loss and glorifying killing...I could go on, but what's the point, really? This reads less like an editorial and more like the rant of a drunk idiot on his cab ride home from Dave and Buster's. Just grunt and nod and hope you don't have to clean up after him.
                Brendan Hamilton
                Jerusalem Plank Road

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                • #9
                  Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

                  By this guy's logic, beachfront hotels should be built in Normandy. I'm sorry that so much history happened around Fredericksburg… bummer, dude! But, as the cliche goes, we didn't inherit the land from our fathers; we are custodians of it for our children. The land is not "hallowed" by war, but by the sacrifice of those who fought there.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

                    Perhaps the author should learn the difference between hallowing and glorifying. The hallowed ground he declaims is a place where men bled and died for the cause they believed in. We venerate and respect their sacrifice.
                    We don't glorify war i.e. we don't praise it to an extreme degree. Most soldiers hate war and would rather be elsewhere.
                    By preserving these sites, we remember and venerate the sacrifice of our forefathers, North and South. And these sites serve as a constant reminder that there are better ways to resolve conflict. "For the sake of progress" is a term that has preceeded the destruction of much of our history.
                    Andy Redd
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                    • #11
                      Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

                      I guess he doesn't want all the tourism dollars that likely does so much for Spotsylvania County as a result of that Hallowed Ground. This sounds just like Greg said - clickbait. If nothing was preserved there this would be the same type of "journalist" that would complain that nothing is saved. Pure contrariness.
                      Jake Koch
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                      -Pvt. Max Doermann, 3x Great Uncle, Co. E, 66th New York Infantry. Died at Andersonville, Dec. 22, 1864.
                      -Pvt. David Rousch, 4x Great Uncle, Co. A, 107th Ohio Infantry. Wounded and Captured at Gettysburg. Died at Andersonville, June 5, 1864.
                      -Pvt. Carl Sievert, 3x Great Uncle, Co. H, 7th New York Infantry (Steuben Guard). Mortally Wounded at Malvern Hill.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Nothing 'Hallowed' About War

                        I can't help but feel attitudes like this stem from the pervasive ignorance of history in our society, and are complicated by the fact only 5-10% of our society has served in uniform, so in many people there is just no concept of the ideals of service to nation, honor, and sacrifice. It isn't malicious in many ways, they just don't know. People can tell you exactly which reality star did what last week, but you see it as jokes on late night TV of how people are clueless about our history, our government, our very social fabric. Guys like this get frustrated when they can't build a Walmart on the Orange Plank road, or build houses right up to the Chancellor House, and we are for the most part frustrated by the blindness to preserving the heritage and the sacrifice of men who gave their all. And not only are they ignorant of it all, there is no desire to go learn the facts, as evidenced by this article. They are simply vacuous and satisfied to sit mired in the ignorance.
                        Frank Siltman
                        24th Mo Vol Inf
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