Pedersoli uh oh!

[Curt Schmidt]

Hallo!

Looks like two steps forward, three back.

New Pedersoli P1853 Enfields are arriving with a large flat clean-out screw in the bolsters!! :(



Curt

[Pritchett Ball]

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THAT is disgusting!

[Dbackfed]

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This reminds me of the scene in the Waterboy:
"Oh no! We suck again!"

[maillemaker]

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I have posted to their facebook page asking for an explanation. I don't know why they would do this!

Steve

[MuleyGil]

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hallo!

Looks like two steps forward, three back.

New pedersoli p1853 enfields are arriving with a large flat clean-out screw in the bolsters!! :(



curt

what!!!!!!??????

[Johnny Lloyd]

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Who's idea was that?!? Pretty much kills any attempt at authenticity...

[LibertyHallVols]

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You know...
Pedersoli is not some "fly by night" company on a shoestring budget. You'd think they'd invest in a high condition original and then just replicate that. What gives!?

[maillemaker]

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This is a recent development. I have a P58 and had a P53 - neither had a cleanout screw.

I have hit up Pedersoli via Facebook and Twitter and have not yet received a response. I just tried an email through their web page.

Steve

[Curt Schmidt]

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Hallo!

This appears to be a brand new change just arriving in country, as the newly redesigned "Enfields" that have been out for a couple of years (or so) did NOT have a bogus clean-out screw.

Curt

[maillemaker]

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I got a response from them:

Dear Mr. Sheldon,

Yes, we made the improvement of the clean-out screw in the last production
of these rifles.

Best regards,
Customer service

Here was my response:

Hi,

Unfortunately this is not an improvement.

First of all, you guys went to great lengths to improve the authenticity
of the Type III Enfield when you took it over from Euroarms. The
clean-out screw is not historically correct for the Enfield.

Second of all, presumably one of the reasons you have done this is so that
you can drill along the axis of the nipple/cone down into the bolster, and
then cross-drill with the clean-out screw into the bore. This results in a
90-degree flash channel, which is not as conducive to ignition as the
straight-in fire channel of the traditional Enfield (and P1842
Springfield, for that matter). I'm sure it is harder to manufacture
having to drill the fire channel off-angle from the axis of the
nipple/cone, but that is the historically correct way to do it.

The reenacting online forums are buzzing with this change. People are
advising people to return muskets purchased that have this defect.

I highly recommend your revert to your previous, correct method of
manufacture.

Steve

[KevinBarnes]

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I hope they change their minds about this "improvement". Now I'm worried they might decide to go ahead and "upgrade" the Lorenz as well

[Cotton Trash]

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Look's like the "stock" of an older used Enfield just went up over night !! speaking of the Pedersoli Lorenz they have some visible things that will need to be removed "defarb" before they are correct to the naked eye, hopefully this ridiculous looking clean out screw will not be one of them.

[maillemaker]

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Just got another reply from Pedersoli:

We appreciate that you pay attention to all details.

NSSA re-enactors are often also shooters and when they started complainig being
difficult to clean the rifle, causing misfire during the compeititions, we had to
look for a solution.

It is an additional work that we make to have the clean out screw.

Best regards,

Customer service

My response:

Hi guys,

I've been shooting an Enfield with a custom barrel from Whitacre for 6
years now in N-SSA competition. It has the correct straight-through fire
channel into the bore, like yours used to have. I have yet to have a
misfire with it. And of course the British themselves manufactured
hundreds of thousands of them over decades.

In practice, I find it easier to clean the fire channel with a
straight-through fire channel like the Enfield as opposed to a 90-degree
channel like the 1861 Springfield. With a straight-through fire channel,
you just remove the cone/nipple and then use a pipe cleaner to clean a
single hole. With a 90-degree fire channel, you have to remove the
cleanout screw and the cone/nipple and clean 2 holes instead of 1.

But the bottom line is, your Enfield is no longer a historically correct
replica. I owned 2 of your rifles, the 1853 and 1858. I traded the 1853
for a Pedesoli 1859 Sharps Carbine. But I'll never buy another Pedersoli
Enfield with this defect. It's a real shame after all the efforts you
guys went to to make the Enfield look like a real Type III instead of the
Type IV that Euroarms copied from Parker Hale.

Steve

[Pvt Peck]

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I am curious since the new added clean out screw is absolutly not historically correct for that firearm would one of these "improved" Enfields even be NSSA legal? Be interesting to see since they reference NSSA shooters in the response above it they actually just killed their marked due to the modification? If there are any NSSA members on here might be an interesting point to bring up to NSSA leadership.

If Pedersoli will not alter production for historical accuracy reasons they might for financial reasons, IE the "improved" muskets not being eligible for NSSA shooting.

[Curt Schmidt]

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Hallo!

The question has already been posted on the N-SSA page.

It is perhaps a strange response from Pedersoli in claiming they responded to "N-SSA" shooters when on the balance scale of market numbers the numbers of CW reenactors and living historians still exceed the couple of thousand or so N-SSA lads and the population using Enfields in the N-SSA is yet a smaller sub-set.

:(

IMHO, this may come down to a Squeaky Wheel and we shall see if reenactors give "voice" or not.

Historically, traditionally, the N-SSA has held a double standard on firearms when it came to mass produced commercial offerings versus individual single custom-builts. Especially so when such founder/member dignitaries such as say Val Forgett, Jr. (Navy Arms) or Mike Yeck were involved. (And the Italians got passes for such things as oversized bulk, wrong dimensions, wrong calibers, wrong model Enfield,
etc).

I suspect, predict, the N-SSA will not fuss.

Curt