Frog for sword and bayonet

[Pvt. Wing]

Hi pards. My friend was looking for any info about an NCO (Ist Sarg.) frog that carried both a sword and bayonet.He saw one in the movie "Glory" but believes it may be an early war item. My email is stooge4@aol.com. Thanks. Ed Henry (Pvt. Wing)

[Justin Runyon]

Re: Frog for sword and bayonet

To my knowledge , there is no such thing. The federal NCO sword was to be carrried on a shoulder strap and frog as well as the musician sword, but I dotn know of any image or extant original that would hold a baoynet as well. One of two things most likely happned here. Either your friend was just slightly confused and saw the sword and bayonet hanging on the same side of the body, or the Glory gang made some mistake. Just as a caveat though, popular culture and film are never good research sources..

If anyone has seen this "magical frog" throw something out here.

[K Bartsch]

Re: Frog for sword and bayonet

To my knowledge , there is no such thing. The federal NCO sword was to be carrried on a shoulder strap and frog as well as the musician sword, but I dotn know of any image or extant original that would hold a baoynet as well. One of two things most likely happned here. Either your friend was just slightly confused and saw the sword and bayonet hanging on the same side of the body, or the Glory gang made some mistake. Just as a caveat though, popular culture and film are never good research sources..

If anyone has seen this "magical frog" throw something out here.

My copy of Todd's states the rig Mr Henry describes is covered in the 1852 Ordnance Regulations.

"Other company sergeants of infantry-and this was especially true in some state regiments-wore their sword and bayonet in a double-frogged shoulder belt (with) an extra frog attached to the bottom of the long branch." pp.222
I don't own a copy of the '52 reg so I can't provide any more information.

Cordially,

[Justin Runyon]

Re: Frog for sword and bayonet

well Ill be, I stand corrected. Thanks for the info on that.

[Pvt. Wing]

Re: Frog for sword and bayonet

Hi pards, thanks for your input. My friend did tell me also he thought he saw one at a sutler a couple years back. I guess we are going to have to find a copy of the 1852 Ord. Regs. If we can find out if Maine regiments or millitia were using these and find a photo of one he'll try have one made. Thanks again. Ed Henry (Pvt. Wing)