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  • #16
    Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

    George Sala was a British travel writer who visited the North in 1864-1865. These references to alcoholic drinks are civilian, but the military probably partook if they ever got a chance.

    Sala, George Augustus. My Diary in America in the Midst of War. 2nd ed. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1865. 2 vols.

    vol. 2, p.313 When seltzer and sherry are taken, they are gulped down early in the morning, to cure the ailments known as “hot coppers” or “whisky in the hair.” As a rule, our cousins loathe the very sight of port wine; but they drink it sometimes, because it is very dear and sounds grand. Hot grog is sometimes imbibed in the winter time, but it is taken standing—and gulped, not sipped. Much as you may have heard about mint juleps, egg noggs, cobblers, smashes, Windsor-coolers, skins, morning glory, Tom and Jerry, private smiles, corpse revivers, fiscal agents, four-forty-four, Jersey lightning, monitor, swamp-angel, eye-opener, moustache-twister, gin-sling, timble doodle, stone fence, with other professed “American drinks”—there are said to be three hundred and sixty-five of them, one for every day in the year—the majority of these high-sounding beverages are of a purely “fancy” order, devised by cunning bar-keepers down town to puff their establishments, and others are purely [p.314] mythical. In very hot weather a cobbler or a julep is occasionally taken; but throughout the States, and in all classes of society, the two universal drinks are, early in the morning, the cocktail—a mixture of alcohol, bitters, and sugar—and at any period of the day or night a dram of Bourbon whisky very slightly diluted with ice-water. The drinkers rush into a bar; the bar-keeper hands them the whisky bottle; they pour out as much or as little as they choose, add a dash of water, and swallow the mixture as though it were a seidlitz powder. No other mystery is there in the grand ceremony of “taking the oath,” “putting oneself outside suthin’,” or “liquoring up.” And then they bolt away from the bar, to meet perhaps on the threshold a friend, with whom they immediately return, and “take the oath,” or “put themselves outside suthin’” again. . . . [p.315] Drinking and “taking tobacco” are looked upon in decent society in the country towns as simply vicious and shameful habits, and nothing is commoner than to hear a person spoken of as “having no vices,” meaning that he neither drinks, smokes, nor chews. As regards the other sex, ninety-nine women out of a hundred never touch anything stronger than iced-water, tea, and coffee, whence, among other causes, their wasted forms, their pallid complexions, and the unhealthiness of their children.

    Vicki Betts
    vbetts@gower.net

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    • #17
      Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

      Originally posted by hireddutchcutthroat
      Notice there are no accounts of soldiers pounding cans of MGD around the fire :wink_smil :beer_yum:
      maybe we might find some. I'l start a search for some at Petersburg :sarcastic
      Jason David

      Peter Pelican
      36th Illinois Co. "B"
      Prodigal Sons Mess
      Old Northwest Vols.

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      • #18
        Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

        Originally posted by Dbackfed
        maybe we might find some. I'l start a search for some at Petersburg :sarcastic
        I would start checking at the PNB parking areas and pull-offs along the park tour route. Particularly on Saturday morning and Sunday morning.

        Good luck!

        Bob.
        [B]Robert Braun[/B]

        << Il nous faus de l'audace, encore l'audace, toujours l'audace! >>

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        • #19
          Re: Period Liquor Recipes

          "you may have heard about mint juleps, egg noggs, cobblers, smashes, Windsor-coolers, skins, morning glory, Tom and Jerry, private smiles, corpse revivers, fiscal agents, four-forty-four, Jersey lightning, monitor, swamp-angel, eye-opener, moustache-twister, gin-sling, timble doodle, stone fence, with other professed “American drinks”—there are said to be three hundred and sixty-five of them, one for every day in the year"

          These types of drinks originated in the states in the 1850s and became popular in Europe in what were called "American Saloons". Many of these recipes were published in "The Bonvivant's* Companion" in 1866. [*One who enjoys luxurious living] The recipes have been reprinted in a book called (I think?) "The Wild West Bartenders Guide". I have made quite a few of these and they are EXTREMELY sweet! Try a gin martini next time [no such thing as a vodka martini then] with one once vermouth and one ounce gin...E-OW! My particular favorite is "Rocky Mountain Punch". It took a while to mix it in a jug, cost me a few greenbacks to make, but boy...what a wholop!

          That ain't no bottle of cider I'm holding in my hand either!
          Scott Cross
          "Old and in the Way"

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          • #20
            Re: Period Liquor Recipes

            Originally posted by ScottCross
            "you may have heard about mint juleps, egg noggs, cobblers, smashes, Windsor-coolers, skins, morning glory, Tom and Jerry, private smiles, corpse revivers, fiscal agents, four-forty-four, Jersey lightning, monitor, swamp-angel, eye-opener, moustache-twister, gin-sling, timble doodle, stone fence, with other professed “American drinks”—there are said to be three hundred and sixty-five of them, one for every day in the year"

            These types of drinks originated in the states in the 1850s and became popular in Europe in what were called "American Saloons". Many of these recipes were published in "The Bonvivant's* Companion" in 1866. [*One who enjoys luxurious living] The recipes have been reprinted in a book called (I think?) "The Wild West Bartenders Guide". I have made quite a few of these and they are EXTREMELY sweet! Try a gin martini next time [no such thing as a vodka martini then] with one once vermouth and one ounce gin...E-OW! My particular favorite is "Rocky Mountain Punch". It took a while to mix it in a jug, cost me a few greenbacks to make, but boy...what a wholop!

            That ain't no bottle of cider I'm holding in my hand either!

            Here is one of the original recipies for the Martini cocktail (Invented in the SF Bay area in 1854)

            The Martinez Cocktail (Martini)

            two dashes of Maraschino, one wine glass of Vermouth, two lumps of ice, one pony of Old Tom Gin and served with quarter slice of lemon.
            :martini_s
            Robert Johnson

            "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



            In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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            • #21
              Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

              I guess there is a caste system for enlisted and officers and what they drank as well?
              How many times have we heard of the men getting some whiskey by their general? Quite a few.
              I suppose the AOT had the advantage over the Army of Northern Virginia in regards to quality alcohol. I guess I know now why General Hood wanted to invade Tennessee, he was after the whiskey.
              Serious though, It surprized me that no one had mentioned the bubbly? I know there are numerous reports of men drinking the stuff. Also brandies and cognac were big hits.
              Dusty Lind
              Running Discharge Mess
              Texas Rifles
              BGR Survivor


              Texans did this. Texans Can Do It Again. Gen J.B. Hood

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              • #22
                Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                Hi,

                Of possible interest is that state sanitary commissions were certainly not averse to shipping "medicinal" whiskey and wine to the field. The 1865 Indiana Sanitary Commission report indicates that, in 1863 alone, no less than 1,062 bottles of wine and 135 "gallons" and 422 "bottles" of whiskey were shipped from Indianapolis to various Indiana state sanitary agents, hospitals, and encampments in the South.

                We can reasonably assume that a significant percentage of the above items were *ahem* "diverted for other purposes."

                Regards,

                Mark Jaeger
                Regards,

                Mark Jaeger

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                • #23
                  Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                  Gentlemen:

                  The history of alcohol is absolutely fascinating -- did you know, for instance, that the Mayflower packed beer instead of water for the passengers and sailors to drink? Water could foul in the barrels while at sea, and it was often polluted and tasted terrible. Some say that that is why the Pilgrims went ashore in February, 1621 -- their beer supply had run out and the crew knew they only had enough beer to get them back to England if they ditched the passengers at that point.

                  There are many stories of what happened to the "medicinal spirits" intended for and shipped to the hospitals. There is a very dramatic story of the final days of the war at Chimborazo Hosptial -- Phoebe Yates Pember (one of the matrons) knew there was one barrel of whisky left for her patients, and that there would probably be a period of confusion before order was reestablished and she could get supplies for her wounded. She found two "hospital rats" of the two legged variety in the room with the whiskey barrel, and she pulled a pistol on them and got them out of the room, then boarded herself up with the whiskey barrel overnight to make sure they didn't get it.

                  If you want more about the history of alcohol and drinking in America, I recommend: "Tastes of Paradise: A Social History of Spices, Stimulants and Intoxicants" by Wolfgang Schivelbusch (ISBN 0-679-74438-X) or "Drinking in America: A History" by Mark Lender and James Martin (ISBN 002-918570-X).

                  Sincerely,
                  Karin Timour
                  Period Knitting - Socks, Hats, Balaclavas
                  Atlantic Guard Soldiers' Aid Society
                  Email: Ktimour@aol.com

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                  • #24
                    Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                    I think it's a good idea to make your own hard beverages. I myself make a Shenandoah style mead that will blow your hand knitted socks off. Also one of my pards make a great peach wine that is refreshing to the palate. It's relatively easy to research what type of fruits are in season and experiment.
                    We just popped open a bottle of fox grape wine the other month that was first rate. It's amazing what some sugar and yeast will do. If anyone is interested I can put together some of my recipes.


                    YOS
                    Pvt. Waverly Adcock
                    5th Va. Co. E
                    [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]Waverly B. Adcock[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
                    [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]5th Va. Inf. Co. L[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
                    [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]West Augusta Guard[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
                    [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
                    [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]"Muddy Turtle Mess"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]


                    [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=blue]"No unpleasant incident marred the proceedings of the day, save an occasional boisterous demonstration from a disciple of John Barleycorn." [/COLOR][/FONT]

                    [COLOR=blue]Republican Vindicator March 1, 1861[/COLOR]
                    [IMG]http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/bigwave1969/wag-3.jpg[/IMG]

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                    • #25
                      Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                      Originally posted by Alamo Guard
                      I guess there is a caste system for enlisted and officers and what they drank as well?
                      How many times have we heard of the men getting some whiskey by their general? Quite a few.
                      I suppose the AOT had the advantage over the Army of Northern Virginia in regards to quality alcohol. I guess I know now why General Hood wanted to invade Tennessee, he was after the whiskey.
                      Serious though, It surprized me that no one had mentioned the bubbly? I know there are numerous reports of men drinking the stuff. Also brandies and cognac were big hits.
                      At least one officer disregarded the caste system:

                      "I don't know but what we would have been more sucessful than we were, but our Generals had too much whiskey aboard. It was said that Gen. McGruder was drunk the day of the battle, before Gen. Jackson got into position in the rear or flank, therefore defeat (sic), and I know that General Armistead was drinking, for I was behind the same poplar tree that he was behind, when he took out a brandy bottle and took a long pull on it. He offered me a pull, but I was busy at the time."

                      William Judkins (memoirs)
                      Co. G, 22nd Ga.
                      Marlin Teat
                      [I]“The initial or easy tendency in looking at history is to see it through hindsight. In doing that, we remove the fact that living historical actors at that time…didn’t yet know what was going to happen. We cannot understand the decisions they made unless we understand how they perceived the world they were living in and the choices they were facing.”[/I]-Christopher Browning

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                      • #26
                        Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                        Yeah id be interested in those recipies...never made any mead myself, just beer and wine..when ya get a chance send em! to ..vamick@yahoo.com, Id be much abliged, maybe we might meet at some posting and compare a few samples :wink_smil

                        corp. Gary Mitchell
                        1st. Stuart horse artillery
                        Gary Mitchell
                        2nd Va. Cavalry Co. C
                        Stuart's horse artillery

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                        • #27
                          Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                          Here is my recipe for mead or Metheglin as it's called by some.

                          Take one quart of honey (I prefer clover honey), five quarts of water, a ginger root as long as your hand, and one lemon, chopped. Simmer all for about half and hour. Let it stand overnight covered with a cheese cloth. Strain it and bottle it. It will work up in about 4 days.

                          There are some schools that say it's better fresh and some that say let it work up for a few months. The last batch I made fermented for about 1 month and was pretty good. It's very refreshing after a battle if you can sink it in a cold creek.

                          Pvt. Waverly Adcock
                          5th Va. Co. E
                          [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]Waverly B. Adcock[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
                          [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]5th Va. Inf. Co. L[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
                          [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]West Augusta Guard[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
                          [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
                          [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]"Muddy Turtle Mess"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]


                          [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=blue]"No unpleasant incident marred the proceedings of the day, save an occasional boisterous demonstration from a disciple of John Barleycorn." [/COLOR][/FONT]

                          [COLOR=blue]Republican Vindicator March 1, 1861[/COLOR]
                          [IMG]http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/bigwave1969/wag-3.jpg[/IMG]

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                          • #28
                            Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                            Cider: This is a topic I have done some extnsive research on having just put in a batch form a period recipie last fall. Cider is considered to be the most popular beverage in the US till the 20th century when it took a down turn due to poor production methods and a negative stigma that it was what the lower classes drank. When we speak of Cider in the 19th century, its good to remember that that term refers to something containing varrying degrees of alchohol. The unfermented juice of the apple is simply apple juice.The forms which cider take are endless; Cyser, new england, scrumpy, french, hard, apple wine, apple brandy, apple oil, apple whiskey, mock cider (still containing alchohol) to name but a few. Sweet or straight, still or sparkilng, its a beautiful thing and wildly popular. Ive been brewing and vinting period beverages for about 4 years now. Any one who wnats recipies, instruction or tips, shoot me an email.

                            A word on Mead. Now I havnt looked, but I havnt seen a period reference ot Mead in the US. Mead has a fascinating history of its own (the term "honey Moon" comes from mead consumption for instance. In ancient times it was drank for one cycle of the moon to promote fertility after the marriage. Mead is ofcourse made from almost all honey) A quick note on the frementation time of mead. The glucose in Honey is notoriously poor for yeast nutrition. The best meads must ferment a year or more to be fully fermented.

                            At any rate, drop a line to the GHTI Brewery if anyone wants to know more, and keep your eye out for a period reference to Mead for me.
                            [FONT=Book Antiqua]Justin Runyon[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]; Pumpkin Patch Mess: [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]WIG-GHTI[/FONT]
                            [FONT=Book Antiqua]Organization of American Historians[/FONT]
                            [FONT=Book Antiqua]Company of Military Historians[/FONT]
                            [FONT=Book Antiqua]CWPT, W.M., Terre Haute #19[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] F&AM[/FONT]
                            [FONT=Book Antiqua]Terre Haute Chapter 11 RAM[/FONT]

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                            • #29
                              Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                              For those seeking additional info on Cider here are 2 excellant references.

                              Cider Hard and Sweet: By Ben Watson ISBN 0-88150-468-8
                              Cider: By Proulx & Nichols ISBN 1-58017-520-1

                              and one thats a handy guide to finding the history and growing seasons of apples, as well as their origins:

                              Apples By Roger Yepsen ISBN 0-393-31567-3
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Justin Runyon[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]; Pumpkin Patch Mess: [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]WIG-GHTI[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Organization of American Historians[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Company of Military Historians[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]CWPT, W.M., Terre Haute #19[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] F&AM[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Terre Haute Chapter 11 RAM[/FONT]

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                              • #30
                                Re: Period Liquor for Alcoholics

                                Blackberry Brandy was common especially among the medical community. :tounge_sm

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