Cavalry carbine

[GASharpshooter]

I've seen some short rifles from time to time the bearers are calling "cavalry carbines." They are two banders with hardware at the end of the barrel to capture the ramrod and keep it from falling off the rifle. Was this common, and is anyone making decent repros?

Thanks,

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Cavalry carbine

Hallo!

You are thinking of "captured ramrods" on muzzleloading carbines/musketoons- the idea being it is "annoying" for a man on a horse to drop his ramrod at the wrong time....

The British Pattern 1856 Cavalry Carbine had such a system.

The U.S. used them on such cavalry arms as the M1847 Cavalry Musketoon and the
M1855 Carbine.

Curt

[Linkstrap]

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The only modern repros that I've seen appear to be of Indian/Pakistani manufacture.

Unless anyone knows different? If there's a quality P1856 Enfield repro available I'd be very interested to hear of it.

[GASharpshooter]

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I think I see the Curious House replica with the captured ramrod on the website, but there is no way to navigate to get details. Plus the annoying background music made me want to bayonet myself.

Anyone know of a stateside dealer that carries Curious House repros?

[Linkstrap]

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I think I see the Curious House replica with the captured ramrod on the website,

They plainly state on that website that their company is based in India.

I did a quick search and discovered that James River Armory have a P1856 Enfield Carbine listed on their website.

I would humbly suggest that you would do far better to look there.

http://www.jamesriverarmory.com/Patt...%20Carbine.htm

[GASharpshooter]

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Mr. Linkstrap,

Thats why I said "stateside dealer." Thats a nice link, thanks Mr. Linkstrap.

[TheRegularsDrummerCo.H]

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Hello,

There is a place called Loyalist Arms in Canada. I know its not stateside though.

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Adam Ward
Sykes Regulars

[GASharpshooter]

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Yeah, but I like Canada. Thanks for the tip

[Johan Steele]

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Parker Hale, I believe, used to make an Enfield Muskatoon and they are still available once in a while off the second hand market. Stay away from the Loyalist Pakistani and India make; they don't proof their barrels. So for all you know you might be pushing 60 grains of powder out of a piece of electrical conduit.

Look to Lodgewood or James River for a better value for your dollar.

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Cavalry carbine

Hallo!

Yes, but the Parker Hale "musketoon" (and Italian clones) was the Pattern 1861 Artillery Carbine which does not have a captured ramrod.

Curt

[straggler]

Re: Cavalry carbine

The 1847 Cavalry Musketoon, at first, used a solid bar - then later
switched to a chain. Several other weapons also used captured ram
rods (including several pistols such as the 1842.)

Attached is a photo of the captured ram rod on my original '47
(also a 1842 pistol made by Henry Aston).

If you campare it against the '47 Musketoon from Loyalist Arms you will
see that their current offering is (based on the photos) off in several
respects.

[csabugler]

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Loyalist Arms offers an 1847 and an 1856/61 "cav musketoon" with captured ramrod.

http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/1861Ecarb.htm

It needs a little work to be correct as most do. It is 65 cal. smooth bore. One advantage is that they come w/ no modern "black powder only", etc, stampings that need removed.

[Johan Steele]

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Mr Schmidt; thank you for the correction. I have seen one a time or two and there is one up the road at a gunshop but I've never really looked at it other than to note it as a Parker Hale.

Lodgewood has an original carbine M1847 on their consignment page. Loyalist, .65 cal and non proofed barels... sorry but all I can do is shudder.

[Curt Schmidt]

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Hallo!

Esoteric Trivia Department....

Parker-Hale came out with the P1861 Artillery Carbine (Musketoon) FIRST in 1974, and the P1858 Naval Rifle next (1977?) , with the rifle-musket last.
I always thought it should have, would have, been the other way around. :)

Curt

[csabugler]

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I don't think I'd shoot the Loyalist version with live ammo, at least not without getting a Whitaker .58 sleeve or similar put in it. I've shoot about 7000 rounds live and have a great deal of respect for that, but I only put about 40 grains of powder in a blank, don't see much chance of an explosion without a projectile. The concussion will go to the path of least resistance.
Can anyone document a Loyalist Arms, or any recent repro weapons, exploding with blanks?