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    IT’S OFFICIAL:

    Spectators view the newly restored Cyclorama painting Wednesday afternoon at the new Gettysburg National Military Park Visitor Center. A community open house was held from 3 to 6 p.m., with admissions to the painting and feature film waived to local residents. Beginning today, adult visitors are being charged $7.50 to see the film, painting and museum.


    BY SCOT ANDREW PITZER
    Times Staff Writer
    Published: Thursday, October 2, 2008 6:56 AM EDT
    As of today, visitors are being charged to enter the artifact museum at the new Gettysburg National Military Park Visitor Center.

    Revenue projections are not being met at the park’s new $103 million complex, which opened in April. The park and its management partner — the Gettysburg Foundation — feared that $1.78 million would have been lost if immediate changes weren’t made to the facility’s fee structure.

    A new single admission ticket ($7.50 for adults) is being imposed at the visitor center’s three major attractions: the restored Cyclorama painting; a struggling 22-minute film; and the previously free artifact museum.

    “Most of the opportunities here are still free,” GNMP Supt. Dr. John A. Latschar said recently, regarding the 6,000 acre battlefield and 139,000 square-foot visitor center. “There is no entrance fee to the battlefield. That’s not the case at other parks. The greatest portion of our building is still free. Obviously, we’re not going to charge people to come into the visitor center for orientation and information, or to go to the bathrooms.”

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    The fee comes after a 30-day public comment period in which the park and foundation entertained revenue-generating ideas. More than 100 people attended a Sept. 18 workshop at the visitor center to debate the plan, with most opposing an admission fee to the museum.

    “It’s not a surprise,” Steinwehr Avenue businessman Eric Uberman, a long-time critic of the visitor center project, said regarding the park’s decision. “I think that everyone at the meeting that night came with the knowledge that the decision was already made.”

    More than 500 people, locally and nationally, submitted comments. A statement issued by the park Wednesday afternoon said that 56 percent of the comments favored the revenue-generating proposal.

    The proposal generated heat and spirited debate, primarily because of the museum fee — visitors have never been charged to see the park’s artifact gallery, until now. Planning for the new visitor center commenced nearly 14 years ago, and a museum fee was never on the table. Even the park’s General Management Plan of 1999 promises that the artifact museum will remain free. The park is home to more than one million Civil War and Battle of Gettysburg relics, and most of those artifacts were donated to the park.

    “The project was never sold to anyone as paying to go into the museum,” said Uberman. “It’s outrageous. It makes you wonder what’s next.”

    Park and foundation leaders stress that there were no viable alternatives that would have solved the foundation’s revenue crisis. The foundation uses revenues generated from the visitor center’s cafeteria, book store, and attractions to operate the facility, fund a capital reserve, and to pay down the project’s debt.

    In a statement released by the park Wednesday afternoon, when the public comment period closed Monday, the park had received 572 comments from “the Gettysburg area” and “throughout the United States.”

    Approximately 56 percent of those comments, according to the park, “were in favor of the proposal” to collect an all-inclusive fee. Also, an additional five percent of the responses were in favor, but suggested lower fees than what were proposed.

    In contrast, 34 percent of the responses opposed the proposed change.

    Adults are being charged $7.50 for a ticket; youth (ages 6-18) $5.50; seniors and military personnel $6.50. Group discounts, for 16 or more people, are also available. Multi-day passes are available at a discounted rate for two and three day stays, in addition to annual passes for individuals and families.

    Also, community appreciation days — during which Adams County residents will be able to roam the entire complex for free — are planned four times annually.

    Originally, the foundation had charged $8 to watch a 22-minute film, the visitor center’s lone revenue-generating attraction until the Cyclorama painting opened over the weekend.

    Revenue models counted on 33 percent of the building’s visitors watching the movie, but only 18-24 percent were actually purchasing a movie ticket. Initially, the foundation intended to charge $12 to see both the film and Cyclorama, but that plan has been scrapped because of low revenues.

    Nearly one million people have explored the massive complex since it opened in mid-April.
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    Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

    Well, I won't go there again. I think it is terrible they are charging people to go into that museum. There are so many incorrect things in there and now to charge for it is just bad business. The original museum was great and it is a shame to see what has happened.
    Rob Bruno
    1st MD Cav
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    • #3
      Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

      Revenue expected, not being met???

      Well, well, well... how greedy can we be??


      This is a crock and I knew there was something brewing... you could feel it in the hallways.

      Oh, wait... they're just ghosts.
      Guy W. Gane III
      Casting Director/Owner
      Old Timey Casting, LLC.

      Member of:
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      • #4
        Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

        Originally posted by Guy Gane III View Post
        Oh, wait... they're just ghosts.
        Yeah, angry ghosts.

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        • #5
          Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

          I just got my response to my comment to the NSPS today, and was surprised on 572 commented and only 34% opposed. It is a shame that we have put a price on a national treasure.
          Frank Siltman
          24th Mo Vol Inf
          Cannoneer, US Army FA Museum Gun Crew
          Member, Oklahoma Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission
          Company of Military Historians
          Lawton/Fort Sill, OK

          Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -- and claims a halo for his dishonesty.— Robert A. Heinlein

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          • #6
            Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

            I am wondering what their numbers are going to be after this new fee. I would speculate that they would lose more visitors because of this fee.
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            Brian G. Holt
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            • #7
              Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

              Given the current economic atmosphere and conditions in this country, as well as around the world, it does not surprise me and I personally don't have a problem with it. It looks like my tax dollars will likely be spent elsewhere anyway, so I really don't mind paying an entrance fee.

              Eric
              Eric J. Mink
              Co. A, 4th Va Inf
              Stonewall Brigade

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              • #8
                Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

                Really folks, are we serious? I pay more for a movie that lasts 2 1/2 hours.

                I haven't been up to the museum yet, but this won't deter me.

                Where are they supposed to get the money to run the place? The copse of money trees on Cemetery Hill?:sarcastic
                Mike "Dusty" Chapman

                Member: CWT, CVBT, NTHP, MOC, KBA, Stonewall Jackson House, Mosby Heritage Foundation

                "I would have posted this on the preservation folder, but nobody reads that!" - Christopher Daley

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                • #9
                  Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

                  2nd and 3rd what Eric and Dusty said. I have no problem paying an entrance fee. These are national treasures and deserve to be protected, conserved and exhibited correctly- if the park feels like they need to charge $7.50 per person to do that, then I support it. As opposed to complaining about it, only to have sub standard practices, training, employees, and equipment. When was the last time you looked into the price of acid free boxes or tissue?
                  D.a. Gruber
                  Drew

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                  • #10
                    Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

                    I'll pay the entrance fee for two reasons:

                    1. For better or worse they are now the caretakers of the cyclorama and material culture housed in the museum. I see the payment as helping to maintain history.
                    2. Honestly I liked the museum and what it presents. The story is more important than the material culture for me. The original items validates and clarifies the story. It's the guy who served and what he experienced more than the canteen he carried. If I want to do research on imaterial culture I make appointments at museums for a more tactile experience than seeing canteens and forage caps behind glass.

                    Steve Acker

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                    • #11
                      Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

                      I actually drove up to Gettysburg this morning to take some photos and do some hiking since it was so nice out. I was not even planning on stopping by the new visitor center because I had seen it once. But I decided to stop anyway, unaware of the changes. As I wandered around the museum I was "acosted" by several employees wanting to see my ticket stub. I informed them that I did not wish to see the film or anything else, but just wanted to see the museum. But apparently you still have to pay the fee. They directed me to the ticket counter. I paid the price, because I do not mind paying for preservation. I was just a bit suprised I was able to wander in and walk around as long as I did. So I walked out a little bummed. I spent the rest of the day dodging buses, segway tours and ill behaved children clamoring around on monuments. I still got some great photos though!
                      Last edited by jasonw; 10-02-2008, 02:33 PM. Reason: spelling!
                      Jason Wright
                      Baltimore, Maryland

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                      • #12
                        Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

                        Maybe someone can elaborate on this, but a member of the Gettysburg community, said many of the items on display were there from private collectors and families that wanted them shared for free with the nation. Will this not upset the donators? Also it is bad business to charge to see something that isnt yours.
                        So I do not agree with this at all. Maybe I am just uninformed, but after giving the place a second chance a week or two ago...It just isnt worth it. I dont spend that much on movies cause I dont go to them and am a broke college kid. Just like I wont spend money on something that at one time was free.
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                        • #13
                          Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

                          If we are talking about running the operation and needing the money for preservation, training etc, where did they get the money to run the old visitor center? Yes it was older and maybe out of date, but it allowed everyone to enjoy the artifacts pertaining to the battle at no cost. And, there are so many things that are incorrect in that museum. The equipment on that federal cavalrymen in the middle of that museum is terrible. In the button and buckle display, they have all of the Maryland items on the federal side. I am not saying that no MD soldier who fought with the Union had MD buttons on his coat. However, I would throw out there that many southern soldiers took pride in their state buttons and most jackets I have viewed that are attributed to MD Confederates had MD buttons on them. The description of Von Borke's sabre in the museum leads you to believe that the sabre they have on display is his large sabre that was made in Germany. The small sabre they have in there is not even close to the one that is the more famous one in the MOC. The one they have on display may have been made in Germany and may have been once owned by Von Borke, but it is not the "fence post" that is described in the caption on display. I usually don't get this involved with things and maybe it is just because I am a MD trooper reenactor, but paying for this museum when I liked the other one better is hard to swallow. I wonder how much is being used for preservation or to pay the debt that whoever is responsible ran up because they could not work within their funds. Sounds familar and that is maybe why I am upset.
                          Rob Bruno
                          1st MD Cav
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                          • #14
                            Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

                            I say this all the time to reenactors who are disappointed by the number of items on display, and now to those who don't wish to pay the fee:

                            If you want to view ANY of the items in the vast GBurg collection, all you have to do is make an appointment at the Archives. You can look at virtually as much stuff as you have time for, and actually handle the items for closer examination. What's better... looking at a sack coat on a bust behind glass for 3 minutes and saying wow nice buttonholes, or examining the coat inside and out, handling the fabric, and taking notes, measurements, and photographs for an hour?

                            Many quality vendors know this, and I have personally gone in there to examine frock coats, greatcoats, and other assorted old timey items. I've done this not just to reproduce items, but also to just check stuff out! The staff there is extremely friendly, not only because they don't have to deal with Joe Public asking where the bathroom is every 6 minutes, but they like to see those with a serious interest to take advantage of the items otherwise just sitting in storage. If nothing else, the one sweet lady's southern drawl is kinda cute.

                            People say there are few artifacts on display... I say great! the more for me to personally examine at the archives! :wink_smil

                            Remember: As with anything that is designed/created (a building.. a report.. a museum..), the first thing you do is identify your audience. The new VC's audience is the general public, and he/she would probably be willing to pay $7.50 for a day of learning about a subject they at least have a remote interest in. For those interested in the material culture (and maybe not the movie or cyclo), you are 10 digits away from personally examining virtually anything you want (for free).
                            Paul Boccadoro
                            Liberty Rifles

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                            • #15
                              Re: GNMP Museum officially has an entry fee as of today.

                              Originally posted by Gawd Awful Lad View Post
                              Maybe someone can elaborate on this, but a member of the Gettysburg community, said many of the items on display were there from private collectors and families that wanted them shared for free with the nation. Will this not upset the donators? Also it is bad business to charge to see something that isnt yours.
                              So I do not agree with this at all. Maybe I am just uninformed, but after giving the place a second chance a week or two ago...It just isnt worth it. I dont spend that much on movies cause I dont go to them and am a broke college kid. Just like I wont spend money on something that at one time was free.
                              Regards,
                              Brett,

                              when the majority of the collection was donated to the NPS, it was with the understanding that it would be part of a museum that was free to the public. Even the 1999 General Management plan mentioned NOTHING about charging to get into the museum.

                              Personally, if the film being shown actually EXPLAINED the battle of Gettysburg, like the Electric Map did, it would be worth the money. That was their major screw up, thinking that people would have been paying $8 each by the DROVES to see a 22 minute film that has 5 minutes dealing with the battle of Gettysburg in silhouette!

                              Something's rotten in Gettysburg, but the beat goes on...

                              As for checking out the original stuff that's NOT on display, Paul, when was the last time you were at the shed? I used to hang out there, but haven't been since the new Airport, I mean, VC, opened...

                              Regards,
                              Shaun
                              [SIZE="3"][COLOR="Navy"]Shaun C. Grenan[/COLOR][/SIZE]
                              [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]Newaygo, MI[/COLOR][/I]

                              [FONT="Book Antiqua"]"[I]' Ellsworth! Remember Ellsworth!' was the chorused battle-cry with us all, and at each shout horsemen would fall from their horses, victims upon our altar of vengeance. -Member of Co, B, 1st NY Fire Zouaves, NY Leader, July 23, 1861.[/I]"[/FONT]

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