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    Tuesday, March 24, 2009

    Demolition begins at former museum

    Alone on the sidewalk, Michael Waricher watched as a powerful crane gutted the building in front of him.

    Waricher was in Gettysburg by chance on Monday, the day demolition began on the former Gettysburg National Military Park Museum and Visitor Center on Taneytown Road.

    A Carlisle resident and frequent visitor to Gettysburg, Waricher said he wasn't going to leave without witnessing the latest chapter in Gettysburg history. He said he supports the park's goal of demolishing the former museum, Cyclorama building and adjacent parking lots in an effort to restore the land to its 1863 appearance.

    "I'm glad to see it, quite frankly," Waricher said. "It's served its usefulness and it's time to move on."

    As the crane ripped bricks, wires and insulation from the building, only a few looked on. The drivers of passing cars occasionally touched the brakes, and tourists sometimes peered across the wall of the Soldiers' National Cemetery for a few minutes to watch.

    But for most of Monday afternoon, the 88-year-old building came apart without an audience.

    By 3 p.m., the former museum was left with a gaping hole in its side. Eventually, there will be nothing left.

    The Gettysburg Foundation, the park's private partner that operates the new museum, is paying a Maryland-based company, Interior Specialists, $800,000 to demolish both the former visitor center and, eventually, the Cyclorama building.

    But the fate of the Cyclorama building, which once housed the 360-degree Cyclorama painting of Pickett's Charge, depends on the outcome of a federal lawsuit that pits the park against a preservation group that hopes to save the structure. Officials have said that demolition project will wait until the lawsuit is settled.
    The demolition project is one part of a plan that dates back nearly a decade to restore the 6,000 acres of Gettysburg battlefield within the park's boundary to its appearance in 1863.

    For years, the park has proceeded with that plan by removing trees from places where they didn't exist at the time of the battle, when Civil War soldiers fought on open land. Telephone poles and utility lines have been relocated underground so as not to impede on a history student's perspective.

    Next on the list for rehabilitation is the area where the former visitor center, Cyclorama building and parking lots are located. The 43.5 acres of land, known as Ziegler's Grove, was key to the fighting on the battle's third day.

    Working behind the counter of Gettysburg Souvenirs and Gifts on Steinwehr Avenue, Cheryl Mickley said she was "saddened" to hear that demolition had begun at the former museum.

    "I hate to see it go," she said.

    Even though the former museum closed nearly a year ago - when the new visitor center on Baltimore Pike opened - the building's pending demolition makes final what many Steinwehr Avenue business owners objected to when the park's plan was first proposed.

    Some worried the museum's relocation would deter tourists from visiting the nearby street lined with stores, hotels and restaurants. And, according to many accounts, that's exactly what's happened.

    "It has made an impact," Mickley said. "We felt that last summer."

    But the economy and high gas prices last year also factored in, she said, adding that business owners are optimistic for the upcoming tourist season.

    Leaning on the wall that separates Soldiers' National Cemetery from Taneytown Road, longtime friends Pat Blaser and Gerry O'Brien watched the demolition happening across the street.

    Both men said they understand the former museum had passed its prime. But they said they wished the new museum could have been constructed in its place.

    "It's a shame," Blaser said. "I really did like this place, but it wasn't big enough."

    Blaser, who lives in Hershey, Pa., said he'll also miss the Electric Map.

    "It really gave you a great lay of the land," he said.

    O'Brien, a Gettysburg resident, agreed. He said he'll miss leaving the walls of the museum and walking right onto the battlefield.

    "I would have preferred that they had the new one here as well," he said. "I liked the fact that people could walk across the street to the National Cemetery."
    Nancy Hogan-Rohrbaugh
    Gettysburg National Military Park
    Museum and Visitor Center
    Visitor Services Asst Mgr and Space Reservations
    Gettysburg, PA
    [URL="http://www.gettysburgfoundation.org"]www.gettysburgfoundation.org[/URL]

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    Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

    I gotta admit, the razing of the old VC leaves me a little nostalgic. A good bit of my adolescence and early career was spent in that building. I felt the same way about the National Tower, even though I agree with both structures' demolition.

    Demolition began Monday on the “old” Gettysburg National Military Park Visitor Center or Electric Map[...]


    Eric
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    • #3
      Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

      Does anyone know what became or will possibly will become of the old electric map? Did they scrap it or did the park keep it, etc. Looking at those pictures sure did make me reminise my Dad taking me there and me taking my oldest two boys there lots of fond memories. It's good what there doing but sad to see it go.
      Robert Ambrose

      Park Ranger
      Fort Frederick State Park, Maryland
      5th Virginia Infantry Co. K

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      • #4
        Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

        Just curious, but did anyone save the electronic map?
        Timothy J. Koehn
        Boone's Louisiana Battery
        Supporting Confederate Memorial Hall, New Orleans, LA
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        • #5
          Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

          The Electric Map was cut up, disassembled, and trucked off to storage at another location.



          Eric
          Eric J. Mink
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          • #6
            Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

            Hmmmn...still there are those pondering the destruction of many more acres more of land deemed to be of "less" significance; in effort to build a new museum, new parking lots, new earthen burms, new buffer zones, new drainage...etc., in the name of "preservation" which we now hope to acomplish by the removal of the previously destroyed "more" significant part of the battlefield where the soon to be non-existant visitor's center, parking lot and cyclorama now stand.

            Has anyone considered the question of parking for the National Cemetary? Where is that supposed to fit in?

            Paul B.
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            • #7
              Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

              Originally posted by Stonewall_Greyfox View Post

              Has anyone considered the question of parking for the National Cemetary? Where is that supposed to fit in?
              Several parking spots are supposed to be left in the old Cyclo lot for access to the National Cemetery. How many, and which ones, I'm not sure.

              People might have to (Gasp!) walk from the new VC...
              Respectfully,
              -Kyle M. Stetz
              Liberty Rifles

              "I think the prospect for an active and laborious campaign in Virginia is pretty clear and we will again this spring renew our old occupation and struggle between life and death for six more weary months." Capt. Samuel S. Brooke 47th Va. Infantry-- March 27, 1864

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              • #8
                Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

                Keep this in mind for the electric map. I won't expound... Boyd's Bears.
                Barry Dusel

                In memory: Wm. Stanley, 6th PA Cav. Ernst C. Braun, 9th PA. Cav. John E. Brown & Edwin C. Brown, 23rd PVI

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                • #9
                  Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

                  The Electric Map is stored at a Gettysburg Park location. The map needed to be completely rewired, new circuit boards put in, the plaster had asbestos fibers in it so it would have to be resealed or even recast. There has been some general talk and hear-say that there might be a replacement made of a smaller scale and more up-to-date.
                  As for the Cemetery parking, the south lot at the old center will remain, although I am unsure if the whole lot as well as the access to Emitsburg Road will remain, but I do know that at least a goodly portion of that lot will remain.
                  Nancy Hogan-Rohrbaugh
                  Gettysburg National Military Park
                  Museum and Visitor Center
                  Visitor Services Asst Mgr and Space Reservations
                  Gettysburg, PA
                  [URL="http://www.gettysburgfoundation.org"]www.gettysburgfoundation.org[/URL]

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                  • #10
                    Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

                    Electric Map could make a comeback

                    The new Gettysburg visitor center could host a video presentation of the map.

                    By ERIN JAMES

                    York Daily Record [York, Penn.]
                    September 13, 2009

                    The Electric Map might have a place at the new Gettysburg National Military Park Museum and Visitor Center after all.

                    More than 16 months since the famous map's last showing, visitors continue to ask about the Gettysburg icon, park spokeswoman Katie Lawhon said.

                    She said rave reviews of the new museum center are often punctuated by a single comment from visitors: "I really wish that you still had the map."

                    Park officials have taken note, she said, and are in the middle of an "experiment" they hope will satisfy those visitors and critics who have argued that the 46-year-old Electric Map deserves to have a place in the new facility.

                    Their idea is to create a film "based on the Electric Map presentation" that would orient visitors to Gettysburg history -- and give them an alternative to viewing the museum's current film, "A New Birth of Freedom."

                    The details of how it would work are still sketchy, but Lawhon said the Electric Map film has potential to create a better visitor experience.

                    "The common ground here is that for people who are coming to the park and they want to see the Electric Map, it's a way to meet their needs," she said.

                    Created in 1963 by Joseph Rosensteel, the Electric Map used lights to depict troop movements during the Battle of Gettysburg. It could be viewed by the public for $4 before the old visitor center on Taneytown Road was closed last April.

                    Though the Electric Map had originally been included in the park's general-management plan as one of three pay-to-see "interpretive venues," park officials ultimately decided not to reopen the exhibit at the new site on Baltimore Pike. They cited a lack of interest from the public and an opportunity for new technology.

                    Then, a year ago, some suggested reinstating the Electric Map as a means of generating revenue after the park announced its plan to institute an admission fee for the previously free museum. Officials had projected a $1.78 million shortfall.

                    But park and foundation officials said they believed the potential revenue from the Electric Map would not resolve the overall problem.

                    The Electric Map was disassembled earlier this year and placed in storage, where it remains today.

                    But before it was taken apart, the Electric Map presentation was filmed, Park Superintendent John Latschar said Thursday. The film is being edited, he said.

                    "When it's ready, we're just going to run an experiment," Latschar said, adding that park officials have heard from many visitors who "desperately missed the map."

                    The experiment, Latschar said, will be to show both the Electric Map film and "A New Birth of Freedom" simultaneously "and let visitors vote."

                    Asked to explain further, Lawhon said that doesn't mean the park intends to offer only the more popular film. Rather, she said, visitors will likely have a choice of which film they'd like to view before moving on to the Cyclorama painting presentation. That's possible because there are two theaters in the museum.

                    Calling it a hybrid of old and new technology, Lawhon stressed the Electric Map film is still an experiment.

                    "If we get it up and running, we would probably leave it as a second option," she said.




                    Eric
                    Eric J. Mink
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                    Help Preserve the Slaughter Pen Farm - Fredericksburg, Va.

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                    • #11
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                      Park Service to remove parking lots next year

                      BY SCOT ANDREW PITZER

                      The Gettysburg Times [Gettysburg, Penn.]
                      September 14, 2009

                      Final designs for the Ziegler’s Grove restoration project at Gettysburg National Military Park depict a parking lot big enough for 57 cars — an increase of more than 25 spaces over previous plans.

                      Park Supt. John Latschar announced Thursday night during a GNMP Advisory Commission meeting that crews could begin removing asphalt at the former Visitor Center and Cyclorama sites along Taneytown Road as early as next spring.

                      Latschar explained that a small parking lot for 57 cars, four buses and a trolley stop will remain in place beside the old Cyclorama building, for visitors to the nearby National Cemetery. Previous plans called for 30 parking spaces.

                      “As we stated in the General Management Plan, the entire Visitor Center parking lot...all of that will be returned to farm fields,” said Latschar. “After we studied the Cyclorama lot, we decided to increase the number of cars that were contemplated in the General Management Plan.”

                      The Gettysburg Foundation, the park’s private fundraising and operations partner, is managing the Ziegler’s Grove project. Altogether, the project has been estimated to cost $9.5 million. It includes the removal of two parking lots that currently sit atop the ground, situated between Taneytown Road and Steinwehr Avenue, as well as the rehabilitation of that 45-acre site.

                      “We always said that we were going to rehabilitate the area as close as possible to what it was in 1863,” said GNMP spokeswoman Katie Lawhon.

                      The Cemetery Ridge meadow was the scene of the High Water Mark of Pickett’s Charge during the Battle of Gettysburg in 1863. Park officials have said that the old visitor facilities and asphalt mar the land where thousands of soldiers fought and died 146 years ago.

                      “The goal is to restore missing features,” said Latschar.

                      Final designs for the rehab and reconfiguration of the Cyclorama parking lot have been approved, and Latschar said the park hopes to begin the project sometime during the “spring of 2010.” Removal of the former Visitor Center parking lot is expected to occur simultaneously, as the foundation is executing a separate contract for that project.

                      The old Visitor Center closed in April 2008, coinciding with the opening of a new $103 million complex along the 1100 block of the Baltimore Pike, just south of Gettysburg. Crews razed the old Visitor Center earlier this year, as part of an $800,000 demolition contract. The Cyclorama building, which previously housed a 365-foot long battle painting, was also scheduled to be torn down, but its demolition is on hold, pending the outcome of a federal lawsuit. Latschar said Thursday night that there was “no update” on the 2.5-year old suit, stating that a “magistrate judge does not operate on a schedule.” A preservation groups is trying to prevent the building’s planned demolition, arguing that the park did not follow proper procedure when it decided to bulldoze the structure.




                      Eric
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                      • #12
                        Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

                        At leas the old VC was FREE, and had something to see. I miss all that stuff.

                        Sidebar, what do you think of the movie they have? A New Birth of Freedom, I worked on it and we did get to shoot on the original ground but how is it? I am NOT paying to see a 22 minute film, that is ridiculous and even if I might be in it.:angry_smi
                        Thomas J. Alleman
                        "If the choice be mine, I chose to march." LOR

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                        • #13
                          Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

                          I don't know what this has to do with the rehabilitation of Zeigler's grove, but I just have to chime in here..

                          Originally posted by Thomas Alleman View Post
                          At leas the old VC was FREE,
                          Very True...



                          and had something to see. I miss all that stuff.
                          Contrary to many people's imaginations the new museum DOES have many "things" to see. In fact, there are objects that are NOW on display that were NEVER on display in the old VC museum--the one that so many people hold up on a pedestal. Further, these objects are now part of a museum that tells an interpretive story of the Civil War and the Battle of Gettysburg--though some will not agree with that interpretation. The fact remains that when the overwhelming majority of visitors come to the new visitor's center--those that DO go through the museum-- are both first timers and have a very hard time distinguishing between the Civil War, American Revolution, or any other early American war. So, in sum... yes there are still many "things" to see, and in this new museum those "things" themselves have a better and more complete story. A gun on the wall is just a gun on the wall, but a gun that belonged to a member of the Stonewall Brigade (Third Day Gallery, Culp's Hill section) within a specific context-- can tell us much more about the battle, and more importantly who these men where that fought this battle. And this can go on for thousands of other "things" that are on display at the new museum.
                          Respectfully,
                          -Kyle M. Stetz
                          Liberty Rifles

                          "I think the prospect for an active and laborious campaign in Virginia is pretty clear and we will again this spring renew our old occupation and struggle between life and death for six more weary months." Capt. Samuel S. Brooke 47th Va. Infantry-- March 27, 1864

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                          • #14
                            Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

                            The curation of the vistitor center is very poor.
                            Alex Kuhn
                            Camp Chase Fifes & Drums

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                            • #15
                              Re: Phase 1 on Zeigler's Grove restoration begins

                              Originally posted by FederalDrummerBoy View Post
                              The curation of the vistitor center is very poor.
                              Not completely disagreeing, but how so? Could this be due to the fact that the "curator" position is currently vacant at GNMP? The "visitor's center" and the "museum" are two completely different animals.
                              Respectfully,
                              -Kyle M. Stetz
                              Liberty Rifles

                              "I think the prospect for an active and laborious campaign in Virginia is pretty clear and we will again this spring renew our old occupation and struggle between life and death for six more weary months." Capt. Samuel S. Brooke 47th Va. Infantry-- March 27, 1864

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