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  • South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

    ... it's a method I guess ...

    http://www.islandpacket.com/news/loc...ry/810859.html


    State archive finds value in cache of Civil War currency
    By RON BARNETT
    The Greenville News
    Published Friday, April 10, 2009

    The South Carolina Department of Archives and History has enough cash stored away in cardboard boxes to make a significant dent in the state's budget deficit.

    The only problem is, it's worthless. Or is it? The department is sorting through 40 cubic feet of bank notes issued by the Bank of South Carolina during the Civil War and selling them on eBay -- some of them for dozens of times their face value.

    It's not a huge moneymaker -- the state pulled in $2,200 for the 24 bills it had sold by the end of last week, according to Keith Shirley, online sales manager for surplus property. But it's virtually free money at a time when every dollar counts.

    "It's actually money that's enabling us to continue doing what we're supposed to be doing, that we're supposed to be getting state money for," said Rodger Stroup, director of the Department of Archives and History.

    Each of the antique bills has been drawing 200 hits or more on eBay, and a $4 note listed on a government surplus sales site called govdeals.com got more than 500 visitors, Shirley said.

    A minimum bid is set on each bill, ranging from $10 to $150, he said. It costs $2 to $3 to list each item on eBay, and govdeals.com charges 7.5 percent of the sale price, he said.

    Shirley packs the bills between pieces of cardboard and ships them in bubble wrap envelopes marked "Do not bend." The delivery charge is usually between $3 and $5, depending on the amount of insurance, he said.

    State law allows the proceeds of the sales to be used only for the preservation, conservation or enhancing of public access to historical documents -- such as buying acid-free storage boxes, and computer equipment for digital archives, Stroup said.

    But with a 22 percent cut in its budget since last July, those purchases would have been put on hold without its rediscovered bank notes.

    The bank notes were stashed in the basement of the Statehouse from the 1880s until the early 1960s, when they were turned over to Archives, Stroup said.

    "It's been kind of a puzzle to the staff as to what to do with them," he said. "They're not really documents, which is what state archives deals with."

    The notes had been redeemed -- at a substantial loss to the owners -- in the 1880s when the state Supreme Court ruled that the defunct state bank couldn't declare bankruptcy, according to Jack Meyer, a retired University of South Carolina history professor.

    These are not Confederate bills but state-issued bills, said Meyer, who is volunteering his efforts at sorting through the cache to prepare bills for sale. Confederate money was worthless after the Confederacy fell, he said.

    The federal government didn't issue any paper currency from the end of the Revolutionary War until the Civil War, so many states, in the South as well as the North, printed paper money, Meyer said. But most of it was destroyed when the federal government started circulating greenbacks in 1862.

    The cache of South Carolina cash was supposed to have been destroyed as well, according to Stroup, the archives department director.

    "Some of them were, but for some reason lots of them were not," he said.

    Since he started working on the project a few weeks ago, Meyer has made it through only one box, which had bills with a face value he estimates at "several hundred thousand dollars."

    "It's going to be a long-term process," he said.

    According to Shirley, the online sales manager, the first batch of about 100 notes sold for between $30 and $250 apiece. A $10 note went for $217, he said. Someone gave $40 for a 5-cent note, he said.

    The state has no specific fundraising goal, Shirley said.

    Some of the bills tell rarely told stories of South Carolina history, like the $5 note with an image of a legendary Sweet Potato Dinner during a prisoner exchange in Francis Marion's camp during the Revolutionary War.

    The state isn't auctioning off all its historical money. One set of uncanceled bills is being kept in the Department of Archives and History, one set will go to the state museum and another to the Confederate Relic Room.

    And all the sales aren't being done online, either.

    "We'll sell some of the more valuable ones in a live auction later," Stroup said.
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  • #2
    Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

    Very cool...
    Tim Koenig

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    • #3
      Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

      I think that's awesome.

      Perhaps another civil war would be proper to bring a balance among the US.




      ...jk. :D
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      • #4
        Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

        Originally posted by Guy Gane III View Post
        I think that's awesome.

        Perhaps another civil war would be proper to bring a balance among the US.




        ...jk. :D
        Hey Guy, I know you are kidding but as scary as a proposition as that might be it is completely possible. Things are bad.. real bad!!:(
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        • #5
          Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

          I don't think this will bring-in enough money to bring-down the state deficit, but if it is done right, I think it can raise some money.

          See? Granny from the Beverly Hilbillies was right... "save yer Confederate money"... :p

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          • #6
            Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

            Originally posted by Guy Gane III View Post
            I think that's awesome.

            Perhaps another civil war would be proper to bring a balance among the US.




            ...jk. :D
            I too, believe that things may come to this. There may not be an armed conflict, but many states are working on legislation to establish (re-establish) state sovereignty. I believe a bill was just passed, to the effect, in North Dakota. I know that a similar bill is in committee in Tennessee, HJR 108.

            The states should have most control.

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            • #7
              Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

              Hallo!

              Moderator hat on...

              Please keep this discussion relating to matters of the bank notes and "preservation," and not drift into Modern Politics.

              Thanks.

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              • #8
                Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

                Really this is just step one of our evil plot to rise again.

                :tounge_sm Just Kidding.
                Brian Gilk

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                • #9
                  Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

                  It is sad that the state Government has to sell its relics and artifacts to make money to meet the state budget. Sad indeed. :(
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                  • #10
                    Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

                    Originally posted by 97th private View Post
                    It is sad that the state Government has to sell its relics and artifacts to make money to meet the state budget. Sad indeed. :(
                    Well they were sitting in boxes for the last 150 years. At least someone is being able to appreciate them and it is bringing in revenue to fund other projects.
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                    • #11
                      Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

                      If they are funding civil war history preservation projects than that is fine but when a government starts selling off it's archived documents which this money is, you have to admit it is not an ideal situation. It is scary to see government agencies selling off everything on ebay, because they have no control over who buys these items. They in fact could be sold to foreign bidders. I think we outsource enough to foreign countries. We don't need to sell them our history as well. I see the good in it but it has it's downside as well. Just my opinion and I resepect yours as well.
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                      • #12
                        Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

                        Pards,

                        Talk about authentic! Somebody post the website so I can bid on some.


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                        • #13
                          Re: South Carolina state government using CS dollars to bail out of deficit

                          Just a quick peek at e-bay and type in "Confederate Notes" gives a wide amount of bills ranging from state bank notes to CS currency. A couple of CS 10's can get $59 right now. Who would have thunk it? Making money the "Old Fashioned Way"...sellin' it!

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