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  • #31
    Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

    I have been talking back and forth with the President of Sons Of Union Veterans in Franklin Sam Gant since this has occured and this is something he has written for the newspaper and other journals.

    Remains of Union Soldier Discovered at Franklin-SAM GANT SUV

    On 14 May 2009, a worker on a construction site on Columbia Pike unearthed human bones located in a shallow grave just a few yards from the street. The police were called, and upon their examining the bones and the buttons accompanying them it was determined that this was the remains of a Civil War soldier.

    Among the items initially recovered from this grave were pieces of skull , a jawbone with teeth missing, a single tooth, an arm bone, numerous other bone fragments, five buttons and a Minie ball. This blunted Minie ball was presumably the one that took the young man’s life. Later excavation uncovered the rest of the skeleton. This body of a tall man, clad in a long military coat, evidently had been buried in a wooden coffin.

    The police called in a state archeologist and Civil War experts from Franklin’s Civil War sites. David Fraley and Bobby Hargrove from the Carter House, J.T.. Thompson from the Lotz House, and Eric Jacobson from Carnton Plantation examined the artifacts and identified the time-worn buttons marked with an “I,” as the type worn by Union soldiers during the Civil War. They concluded that in all likelihood this soldier was killed on December 17, 1864, as the Union soldiers battled with the rear guard of Hood’s army in their retreat from the Battle of Nashville. In this area, a few hundred yards north of Winstead Hill, began a skirmish that carried on down Columbia Pike to the West Harpeth toward Spring Hill.

    The City of Franklin placed a work stoppage order on the construction project until further archeological work could be done. The archeological team searched over a large area around the grave site but found no other evidence of burials nor did they uncover any other Civil War era artifacts. The Franklin Police Department took the bones to photograph and record in their report. The bones will then be returned to the State archeologist who will turn them over to a forensic anthropologist for evaluation before their being reinterred.

    The State archeologist stated that the preferred option for reinterring the soldier is to return the contents of his grave to the original burial site. For this, the landowner must reserve only the space of the grave itself. The second option is for the landowner to obtain a court order for grave removal. Should the landowner chose the second option, the soldier’s remains would likely be turned over to the Sons of the Union Veterans of the Civil War, Fort Donelson Camp # 62, headquartered in Franklin, to arrange for reinterring.


    On a side note the owner of the land and building construction has released the body and contents to the city of Franklin, at this time the body is being studied with its contents. The soldier will be re-buried some-time in June and they will have another ceremony on the Anniversary weekend in November. They are looking for those who can portray federal soldiers who will help with this honorable task. Please send me a pm or email if you are interested kaelin.vernon@gmail.com
    Kaelin R. Vernon
    SOUTH UNION GUARD


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    • #32
      Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

      Those who helped bury the ashes (found in a California mortuary) of a Union veteran in Memphis, Mo. a few years ago may recall that the SUVCW often relies on an early 20th Century (1914?) service of dedication, and that burial/monument dedication ceremony was constructed with the approval of the GAR members.

      It might be a good place to begin -- perhaps Commander Gant already has thought of this? Also, it's not too soon to work with the County Veterans Service officer to get the paperwork started for receiving a federal headstone by this fall. A simple "Federal Soldier: 1864 Known Only To God" might be an appropriate inscription?

      So, it seems the authorities are at least more than 50 percent certain that the soldier was a Union man?

      Franklin is a healthy day's drive from Huskerville, but I will consult my calendar to see if I could come by to help in any way possible. At least can stand off to the side just to pay my respects and witness the ceremony.

      Would surely like to tour Hiram Lodge again, too, if it's OK with the brethren. And of course there are a couple of well-known blanket and soldierly brick-a-brack vendors living in the area that it would be my pleasure to see again ...

      Thanks for keeping us posted.
      Paul Hadley, PDC Nebraska SUVCW, PCC Shiloh Camp, PC Nebraska Rangers SVR
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      • #33
        Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

        I would like to state that, I love the words being said here. Its not every day we find remains from over 100 years ago. Im not from the area either but I just found out about this tonight and read all the post. Its nice to know that we have the care and comfort for this poor human being. I believe that either confederate or federal soldier he deserves a full military service complete with both federal and confed reenactors of all sort. This is our history guys dont let it get under our skins on who is was but what he fought for...

        thousands died for a just cause and we should do our best to remember them everyday.

        Christian Jebb

        Avon Ill

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        • #34
          Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

          Ok, I've got to jump in here too. I'm tired of all the media claiming it to be a Federal just because of these dang buttons and nothing else. If the want to date it to around the time of the battle of Franklin then no it probably isn't a Fed because the Confederates halted south of Winstead and that would be one hell of a shot even to the golf course.

          As for Hoods retreat, I agree with Justin about an ambush, the ground doesn't really support an ambush as most of that was cultivated land on both sides of the pike. Confederate rear guard being tagged by a bullet...more likely than the other way around. Six buttons could have come off a Milledgeville, Atlanta, Columbus Depot or a number of jackets. Just my two cents about the media solving this 145 year old mystery. I may be way off. I just don't think they should go burying a soldier in a Federal cemetery just because they think he is a Fed and the other way around for Carnton. I like the idea of them burying him at the memorial where Adams was killed near the Carter House.
          Heath Potter

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          • #35
            Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

            Thanks Heath.

            I support the idea that this gentleman was in fact a Confederate casualty killed on the retreat at the back of the column in late December '64/early January '65. It just makes the most sense. The fact that he was buried near the pike, the route of retreat for Hood - in what appears to be remnants of a coffin tells me that he may be one of a few men killed of the outskirts of the town and then left by the hoplessly retreating Army of Tennessee. There was no turning back for them. I can imagine a few townspeople decided to give this, apparently unknown, soldier a decent burial near the spot where he lay. What a beautiful gesture. Did they have hopes to re-inter this soldier when the war was over? Was he just forgotten somehow or left there for convenience? Again so many questions.. but I bet there's a family in the area that has some account, document, letter, etc. with solid clues. We are all on top of it here locally. With a watchful and discerning eye, I submit to the local civil war historians, archeologists, forensicists, etc.

            Oh and by the way; the 145th Anniversary this year will be worth your time and effort.. ; )
            Last edited by Jon The Beloved; 05-29-2009, 08:04 AM.
            Jon Harris


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            • #36
              Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

              No offense to anyone (for all I know Mr Harris may have hit it on the nose) but all this is sheer speculation. It could also have been a Federal in a coffin, dead from disease, being carried north with a supply train until the smell became too much and they buried him by the road. Or one of Van Dorn's men from the 63 battle, etc, etc. Unless some conclusive evidence comes forth I think he should be left where he is rather than Carnton or the National Cemetery in Nashville.
              John Duffer
              Independence Mess
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              • #37
                Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

                Mr. Duffer.. you sir.. may have hit it on the head. I'd want to bury a festering body too! I would note that it would have to have been the body of a truly unknown soldier even still; otherwise, word would have been sent for his return to his proper home or cemetery - at least by the few years after the war. Such records were kept. Of course some records were lost. But such fallen comrades AND enemies were identified and remembered.

                Maybe the fella was a deaf mute or vowed to silence and had no I.D. on him...

                J/K - all in good fun and SPECULATION.
                Last edited by Jon The Beloved; 05-29-2009, 11:33 AM.
                Jon Harris


                Mang Rifles & Friends
                Ora pro nobis!

                ~ McIlvaine’s 64th Ohio Infantry at Missionary Ridge 11/2019
                ~ Head’s 49th Tennessee Infantry at Fort Donelson - Defending The Heartland 2/2020
                ~ Wever’s 10th Iowa Infantry at Bentonville 3/2020
                ~ Opdycke's 125th Ohio Infantry at Franklin, 1863 - For God and the Right 5/2020
                ~ Pardee’s 42nd Ohio Infantry during the Vicksburg Campaign 5/2020
                ~ Day's Silent Machines, 12th U.S. Regulars during the Gettysburg Campaign 6/2020


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                • #38
                  Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

                  Civil War soldier's resting place is undecided

                  By Kevin Walters

                  The Tennesseean [Nashville, Tenn.]
                  May 28, 2009

                  The bones of a Civil War soldier will stay buried at a site on Columbia Avenue until Franklin officials and developers can decide what to do.

                  Franklin aldermen discussed the matter during a work session Tuesday but made no decisions about the city's role.

                  Mayor John Schroer and city aldermen want to learn where the bones — likely a Union soldier buried in late 1864 — could be reburied in Franklin and what the possible costs of exhuming the skeleton would be.

                  Work crews for Wolfe Development Co. of Jackson, Tenn., unearthed the remains of the skeleton in mid-May while digging a trench. State law requires landowners who discover a grave on their property to either exhume the remains and rebury them elsewhere or leave them in that location and create a buffer around the site.

                  The prevailing opinion among city leaders and local historians is that the bones should be reburied away from the site, which is set to become a mixed-use development that will include a Chick-fil-A restaurant.

                  "It just doesn't seem right ... to have him where he may rest forever next to a fast-food restaurant," said Alderman Mike Skinner.




                  Eric
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                  • #39
                    Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

                    Honestly I see no problem with him being buried in a Federal National Cemetery. I do have a problem with him being buried as a FEDERAL or CONFEDERATE soldier as his true loyalties remain unknown and probably will forever remain unknown.

                    The thing we have to look at now, is there are human remains remaining in a state of limbo now, I feel he should be allowed to be buried in a cemetery whether it be in a Federal Cemetery or a local grave yard. And I feel he should be buried as an American, not as a confederate or a federal soldier but as an American. The country has since been reunited peace so we should let him rest in peace.

                    just my two cents.
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                    • #40
                      Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

                      I would agree with ya Micheal.. where ever he is laid to rest, I think his headstone should read Unknown American Soldier.. not US, Not CS, just Unknown American Soldier.. or Unknown Civil War Soldier. Acknowledge his service in the WBTS, but leave it to God to know for whom he fought.
                      Robert W. Hughes
                      Co A, 2nd Georgia Sharpshooters/64th Illinois Inf.
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                      • #41
                        Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

                        I notice that they mention that the buttons are eagle 'I' buttons. This might suggest an Union officer, but I have also seen 'I' buttons on original Illinois Jackets, and original Confederate jackets. The nails for a coffin would also suggest that great care was given to the body, which might also suggest an officer, or a least time for a proper burial. The smashed Minnie Ball would also suggest that he was mortally wouned or killed in a skirmish or battle. Who ever he was, they took the time bury him right. Interesting stuff, but not too suprising when you take into consideration the thousands of MIAs from the Civil War.
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                        • #42
                          Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

                          There has been talk about burying him at the old city cemetery where Todd Carter is buried himself. It's not a Confed or Fed thing just a good old fashion cemetery. Another thing, I don't know what quality of the coffin, but I would assume (scary word) that after Nov 30 coffins would be a rare thing in Franklin. Perhaps it was a make shift box. Who knows? As John said, it very well may have been from the Van Dorn raid. Here's another thought. Brentwood and Franklin were prime foraging areas during the war and skirmishes were always taking place. The whole point I was getting at originally, was that the Tennessean and the rest of the media need to stop calling him a Federal simply because of the buttons.
                          Heath Potter

                          South Union Guards
                          Star and Crescent Mess
                          A.E.K.D.B.

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                          • #43
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                            Where's Matlock when we need him?
                            Bob Williams
                            26th North Carolina Troops
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                            • #44
                              Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

                              Bobby Hughes' suggestion of "Unknown American Soldier" sounds right to me. It's accurate.
                              GaryYee o' the Land o' Rice a Roni & Cable Cars
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                              • #45
                                Re: breaking news at Franklin Tn!!!!

                                This just in from the Nashville Business Journal (not a publication I'd expect to see this in):

                                Civil War soldier re-interment set
                                Nashville Business Journal - by Scott Takac Staff Writer

                                The body of an unknown Civil War soldier unearthed during construction on a Franklin, Tenn. mixed-use redevelopment project will be reinterred in October.

                                The soldier’s remains were unearthed in May by construction workers at the site of a former driving range on Columbia Avenue at the intersection of Southeast Parkway, says Sam Gant, a member of the Franklin Mayor’s Battlefield Task Force.

                                Gant says October was the soonest a proper burial could occur for the soldier, believed to have been buried around the time the Battle of Franklin took place on Nov. 30, 1864.

                                “We have to go through some legal procedures ... before we can re-bury him,” says Gant, who is also camp commander of the Sons of the Union Veterans of the Civil War, Fort Donelson Camp No. 62.

                                The almost 150-year-old remains were found just a few yards from what will soon be a Chic-fil-A in the mixed-use residential and commercial development being developed by Wolfe Construction.

                                The soldier was clad in a Confederate uniform with Union buttons when he was buried in a grave about 30 inches deep, so it’s not clear whether he was a member of the Union or the Confederacy, Gant says.

                                “Some contend he was a Union soldier,” he says. “One of the contentions from the Confederate side is (the Union buttons) would never pass inspection.

                                “On the other hand, this is a combat situation, so soldiers don’t always hold fast to the uniforms.”

                                The soldier will lie in state at Saint Paul’s Episcopal Church from Thursday, Oct. 8 until Saturday, Oct. 10, and will receive full military honors from re-enactors representing soldiers from both the Union and the Confederacy.

                                A horse-drawn caisson will transport the soldier to Rest Haven Cemetery, where he will be buried at the end of the ceremony.

                                stakac@bizjournals.com | 615-846-4278
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