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    143-year-old flag returns to Charleston

    Secession banner sent from Massachusetts

    BY ROBERT BEHRE
    Of The Post and Courier Staff
    One hundred forty-three years after it flew over Castle Pinckney, a large and unique secession banner has come home to Charleston.

    Eric Emerson, director of the S.C. Historical Society, said the banner, which is displayed inside the society's Fireproof Building, appears to be one of a kind.

    "No one has seen another flag that looks like this," he said.

    The flag first flew Feb. 1, 1861, over Castle Pinckney, according to a newspaper account of the time. This was several weeks after South Carolina seceded but two months before the first shots were fired at Fort Sumter.

    Maj. John H.A. Wagener then brought the flag with him when he was transferred to Fort Walker on Hilton Head Island, Emerson said.

    That November, U.S. Naval forces under Adm. Samuel DuPont captured the flag, which later was displayed inside the U.S. Capitol on George Washington's birthday.

    "We know that from a Harper's Weekly illustration that shows it," Emerson said.

    Several years later, a Navy official donated the flag to the Massachusetts Historical Society, which kept it until last year.

    That society didn't display the flag and agreed to send it somewhere that would, director William Fowler said. The society also sent other Confederate flags to museums in Georgia and Maryland.

    "These are flags, icons, historical reminders that ought to be shared. They're American treasures, and Americans ought to see them," Fowler said. "We have a warm feeling knowing we did the right thing and knowing how much it will be appreciated."

    The flag sent to Charleston was appraised at $175,000.

    It cost the society $31,000 to have it specially cleaned by a Maryland textile conservator and mounted for display.

    The 11-foot by 13-foot flag originally measured about 11 feet by 20 feet, but part of it was cut off, possibly by Union sailors seeking a souvenir swatch.

    Emerson said Hugh Vincent, who sold ship supplies at 75 East Bay St., might have produced the flag, and its 15 blue and white stripes and 15 stars most likely represent the 15 Southern or slave states. (At the time, only seven states had joined the Confederacy; at its peak only 13 did).

    The flag's two palmettos are a state symbol that possibly reflected the thinking of some South Carolinians that this would be its second war of independence.

    "The Civil War was considered by many Southerners to be a second revolution, the second breaking away from a power. Maybe that's why there are two trees," he said.

    The Massachusetts Historical Society's decision to send the flag back down South stands in sharp contrast to an ongoing feud between Minnesota and Virginia over a similar banner captured during the battle of Gettysburg.

    Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has said his state will keep that flag, which is housed at the Minnesota Historical Society, but some Virginia congressmen and the state's attorney general have asked the U.S. Army's chief of military history to intervene. Others are considering going to court, and the dispute has made national news.

    Fowler traveled to Charleston to see the flag's new home, and he noted that South Carolina's governor visited Lexington, Mass., in 1876 and returned the flag of the 54th Massachusetts Infantry, the all-black unit that fought on Morris Island and later was depicted in the movie "Glory."

    "It seems to me that we have been late in reciprocating that gesture," Fowler said.


    WANT TO SEE IT?

    The S.C. Historical Society is open for free to members, and the public is admitted for a $5 daily fee. The Fireproof Building is at 100 Meeting St. in Charleston.


    Robert Behre covers Charleston County. Contact him at 937-5771 or rbehre@postandcourier.com.
    [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]David Chinnis[/FONT]
    Palmetto Living History Association
    [url]www.morrisisland.org[/url]

    [i]"We have captured one fort--Gregg--and one charnel house--Wagner--and we have built one cemetery, Morris Island. The thousand little sand-hills that in the pale moonlight are a thousand headstones, and the restless ocean waves that roll and break on the whitened beach sing an eternal requiem to the toll-worn gallant dead who sleep beside."

    Clara Barton
    October 11, 1863[/i]

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    Re: Flag Returns

    As an un-reconstructed yankee, I know that flag reparartions was a sore subject in the GAR veterans circles post war. I even belive that it was a issue in the presidential camapain that Mckinley won. (I am nor sure what his stance was). Considering what Minnesota paid in her son's blood for that flag at Gettysburg, It is understandable that to the victors go the spoils. It really is a states rights issue (how ironic!).

    Damn Yankee 14th

    Shawn, you must sign all posts with your full name - Mike Chapman
    Last edited by dusty27; 04-01-2004, 01:27 PM.
    Shawn Callahan
    14th CVI Co G

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    • #3
      Re: Flag Returns

      Originally posted by damnyankee14th
      As an un-reconstructed yankee, I know that flag reparartions was a sore subject in the GAR veterans circles post war. I even belive that it was a issue in the presidential camapain that Mckinley won. (I am nor sure what his stance was). Considering what Minnesota paid in her son's blood for that flag at Gettysburg, It is understandable that to the victors go the spoils. It really is a states rights issue (how ironic!).

      Damn Yankee 14th
      It not a matter of states rights or battle trophies. At least not today. Where the flags belong is a simple issue of placing them where they can be properly conserved and displayed if possible. Who did what to whom 140 years ago is no longer an issue.

      Bill Eiff
      [FONT="Trebuchet MS"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][/COLOR][/FONT]War-battered dogs are we
      Fighters in every clime,
      Fillers of trench and grave,
      Mockers, bemocked by time.
      War-dogs, hungry and grey,
      Gnawing a naked bone,
      Fighters in every clime,
      Every cause but our own.

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      • #4
        Re: Flag Returns

        ...$31,000 to have it specially cleaned by a Maryland textile conservator and mounted for display.
        I was recently put in my place for suggesting that conservators don't like charging high prices for their services and that their specialty schools were expensive. OK, I can live with that...most of us on this forum agree that it is money well spent.

        By the way, a school teacher who paid just as much for an education and training has to work 5 years in South Carolina to earn an annual salary of $31,000.
        Last edited by Vuhginyuh; 04-01-2004, 08:43 AM. Reason: North to South
        B. G. Beall (Long Gone)

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        • #5
          Re: Flag Returns

          Originally posted by Vuhginyuh
          I was recently put in my place for suggesting that conservators don't like charging high prices for their services...and that their specialty schools were expensive. OK, I can live with that...

          By the way, a school teacher who paid just as much for an education and training has to work 5 years in North Carolina to earn an annual salary of $31,000.
          Please don't take this personally, and the mods wil probably rightly zap this thread because it has exactly zilch to do with this hobby, but I must add, over that 5 year period you mention, the school teacher gets about 15 months off (approximated by totalling the summers and breaks) so its really more like 3 years and nine months to hit the $31K mark. Looked at another way, the teacher is being paid 31K annually after five years on the calendar for only working 9 months. Life's about choices. If making money is important to a person, teaching probably isn't the way to go. The breaks do appeal to me though.

          Cordially,

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          • #6
            Re: Flag Returns

            The Federal gov't during the early 20th Century (1905) Sec. of War, William Howard Taft sent captured battle flags and other colors home. There was also a 1905 Congressional Resolution to return the flags of both sides that were captured. Not all were held by the Federal gov't, some by states and some by private citizens.

            In the late 1880s this was the tone of veterans concerning the return of captured flags: (from http://www.secondwi.com/wisconsinciv...e%20Battle.htm) But the final act which unified many veterans against Grover Cleveland involved Civil War battle flags - Confederate ones. In June the president directed the secretary of war to return all captured Confederate banners in federal possession to the respective Southern states. When the order became public, GAR National Commander Lucius Fairchild was on a speaking tour of posts in the East. Appearing before the Alexander Hamilton Post of Harlem, New York, on June 15, on the occasion of the completion of a Memorial Hall to house that state's Civil War flags, the one-armed Fairchild delivered an angry and unforgettable speech denouncing President Cleveland's action: "May God palsy the hand that wrote the order! May God palsy the brain that conceived it! And may God palsy the tongue that dictated it! I appeal to the sentiment of the nation to prevent this sacrilege. -

            YOS,

            DJM
            Dan McLean

            Cpl

            Failed Battery Mess

            Bty F, 1st PA Lt Arty
            (AKA LtCol USMC)

            [URL]http://www.batteryf.cjb.net[/URL]

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            • #7
              Re: Flag Returns

              There are still alot of CW battle flags that are missing from their rightfull homes... 3rd IA, 3rd Mn to name just two. As I understand it both are in "private" collections... in state funded universities.

              "Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has said his state will keep that flag, which is housed at the Minnesota Historical Society, but some Virginia congressmen and the state's attorney general have asked the U.S. Army's chief of military history to intervene. Others are considering going to court, and the dispute has made national news."

              I believe Gov Pawlenty has also been quoted as saying something along the lines of when the 3rd MN flag is returned we might think about it. It will be interesting to see what will happen if it does go to court.
              Johan Steele aka Shane Christen C Co, 3rd MN VI
              SUVCW Camp 48
              American Legion Post 352
              [url]http://civilwartalk.com[/url]

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