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    Chad Greene posted this story on Facebook today and I read it with great interest. The gist of the article is that there are some in the local government who would like to make it an NPS site. What do you think? Would this be good or bad for Perryville?

    Perryville Battlefield National Park: McKinney, Kirchner Explain Why It's a Good Idea

    PERRYVILLE — The benefits of a Perryville Battlefield National Park are numerous and diverse, says Boyle County Judge-Executive Harold McKinney.

    On a tour Friday, McKinney shared his vision for the battlefield and what it might mean for the city of Perryville, the county, the state and even the nation if it does become a national park.

    Gesturing grandly at the park’s beauty and historical significance, McKinney, who has likened it to an “unpolished dime,” said “this place would not only make us proud, it would make the nation proud.”

    Almost immediately, McKinney addressed concerns he’s heard from re-enactors, who have voiced some opposition to the idea of seeing the two-day re-enactment in October moved to nearby location if the battlefield does become a national park. He also addressed fears from some that a national park designation would alter the ways local families enjoy the park.

    “We want to provide for the re-enactors. We want to have that place to re-enact,” said McKinney. “Now how we solve that, we’re not clear right now, but we want a place for the re-enactment. We want a place for families to have picnics. That’s just not going to go away.”

    McKinney said historic preservation and longevity are the most obvious benefits if the site is designated a national park, but also noted the economic impact on Perryville.

    “You talk about an economic driver, it would be a huge economic driver,” said McKinney. “This could really help efforts to enhance downtown Perryville because it will generate some industry and some good things going on.”

    He added that the vitality of Perryville might very well depend upon capitalizing on “its greatest asset.”

    “You can’t be static,” said McKinney. “You either grow or you die. If you think you’re going to stay the way you are for the next 50 years, it’s just not going to happen. Organisms in life either grow or they die. It’s just that simple. It’s the law of nature. All you have to do is walk through Perryville and look at what’s not there anymore. The furniture store is not there anymore. It probably sustained Perryville in many, many ways because people would come in there and spend money. You’ve got to have something else. You’ve got to figure out what your strength is.”

    The first stop on the tour of the battlefield was at the top of the hill near the back entrance of the park on Hayes Mays Road. McKinney pointed out the pristine beauty of the 360-degree view of the area and painted an enticing picture of a visitors center on the hillside.

    “Just imagine a visitors center right here,” he said animately. “On the first floor would be your typical visitors shop and information. On the second floor could be a restaurant and then on the third floor could be a 360-degree open area where children could touch on the interactive glass and see the battle unfold before them. Imagine that! They could then move over to another area with a different view, touch the glass and see another aspect of the battle unfold before their eyes. It would be incredible.”

    McKinney said it would be a draw for school children from across the state and even from other states, noting once again the national significance of the site.

    Almost on cue, a family from Cincinnati visiting the battlefield stopped to chat with the judge and said they thought the national park idea was an excellent one, one that would entice them to travel back to Perryville for another visit. Another family from Florida, who made a stop at the battlefield on their way to Louisville, echoed the sentiment.

    To become a national park, the battlefield would have to be designated as such by an act of Congress, and the legislation to do so occurs like any other piece of legislation.

    And it would take years.

    McKinney said the first step would be a federally-funded, five-year study to determine the feasibility and sustainability of the project, whether the park is being properly maintained, and most importantly, the significance of the site.

    “It’s clearly feasible. It’s clearly sustainable and it’s clearly significant. They have done an excellent job in keeping the park maintained as best they can, but the state is just not in a position to maintain it as it could be maintained,” said McKinney, adding that the federal dollars that would funnel into the park and the surrounding area would have a positive impact.

    “The state has done a really good job of pointing out the significant points throughout this battlefield,” said McKinney. “They’ve done a really nice job, but it’s expensive to maintain.”

    Jennifer Kirchner, executive director of the Danville-Boyle County Convention and Visitors Bureau, emphasized that the project is long-term and still a long way down the road, with many details yet to be ironed out.

    “The strategy of making the battlefield into a national park is a long-term plan that provides longevity to the park, the preservation of the park and will contribute to the economic vitality of the park and downtown Perryville,” said Kirchner on Saturday. “It’s very important that the citizens of Perryville are very informed and knowledgeable, and that they understand the advantages to having this happen. We’re concerned with everybody still using the park and enjoying it the way they always have. We think there is a compromise in providing for the park to be sustainable for the future, while still preserving it for the people of Perryville.”

    Kirchner echoed McKinney’s comments that it will be difficult to sustain the park in the future, considering the financial situation at the state level.

    “For the future of Kentucky state parks, funding is not there like it used to be,” said Kirchner. “Funding for the parks in the 1970s is very different from what it is now. So, we’re just trying to look to the future of how our children and how our grandchildren and their grandchildren can still enjoy the park because those funds are drying up. If there’s no money, there’s no park, no matter how much we love it.”

    Like McKinney, Kirchner said the federal funding would not only help maintain the longevity of the park, but provide many benefits to the “gateway” city of Perryville, including roads and other infrastructure that would enhance the economic vitality of the community, “all the while maintaining the history.”

    “There’s a lot of research done on the economic impact for gateway communities,” said Kirchner. “Over $15.5 billion was just added in 2013 into the gateway communities (near national parks), and that was when parks were shut down. So you really see an influx of tourism dollars, of jobs and of the preservation of history, which is what we all care about, and what is really important.”

    Kirchner said, from a tourism perspective, this is a” huge win” for not only Boyle County, but for the entire region and for the state of Kentucky.

    “A lot of money would come in from the federal government for signage, for advertising,” said Kirchner. “We would be put on national maps, and we would become a place where people would stop on their summer vacations. That matters.”

    To those who fear the area would lose its pristine character, McKinney said one of the primary goals of the national park program is to preserve the land and the unique qualities of a site.

    McKinney has said it will take some time for a project of this magnitude and importance to come to fruition, but is the first to say that Perryville and Boyle are blessed to have a treasure of such significance.

    “How many counties have a site of national significance in them?” said McKinney. “Not very many. Let’s not let this opportunity go awry. I mean, it’s a no-brainer.”

    More than 7,000 acres in and around Perryville are designated as a National Historic Landmark, recognized by the United States government for “its outstanding degree of historical significance.”

    The actual battlefield site, which sits on nearly 1,000 acres and includes an interactive museum and visitors center that opened in 1962, currently averages about 100,000 visitors per year.

    Article From Central Kentucky News:

    http://m.centralkynews.com/amnews/news/local/boyle/perryville-battlefield-national-park-mckinney-kirchner-explain-why-it-s/article_441b425a-33b7-11e5-8d9f-cbbf04a9c01c.html?mode=jqm
    55
    Yes
    36.36%
    20
    No
    63.64%
    35

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Eric Tipton; 08-13-2015, 01:15 PM.
    ERIC TIPTON
    Former AC Owner

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    Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

    If it becomes a National Battlefield Park, that will be the end of any kind of battle "reenactments" held there. Of that much we can be certain. The state of KY does a good job with the Perryville battlefield site as far as maintaining reasonable standards for the events held there.
    Craig L Barry
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    • #3
      Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

      I agree with Craig and vote no to this idea.

      In addition to Craig's reasons, I don't know of a time in the history of this country that it has been more glaringly proven that the Federal government can and will screw things up when given the opportunity. Perryville is in the good condition that it is because it is not part of the NPS.

      regards,
      Mark
      J. Mark Choate
      7th TN. Cavalry, Co. D.

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      • #4
        Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

        I am in the minority it seems but any battlefield we can convert to National protection is a good thing. State budgets are limited and more volatile, and politics often intrudes. NPS designation has never been a bad thing for Hallowed Ground.
        Soli Deo Gloria
        Doug Cooper

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        • #5
          Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

          Hallo!

          A tough one worthy of Solomon.

          On the one hand, KY has done a nice job since my first event there in 1976ish. And, as shared, NPS means the end of any reenactments of any kind save for maybe a LH. Is "preservation" worth the loss?

          On the other hand, I have seen several times where the Ohio governor of the day has slashed budgets in sparse years and closed down a number of state and Ohio Historical Society managed sites like Fort Laurens and Fort Meigs until funding recovers sometime later. In theory, and other than shenanigans in Washington DC over the budget that temporarily closed NPS sites,,, in theory federal money is supposed to be more "certain" than state.

          ;) :).

          I have reluctantly voted "Yes" because burned by Ohio more than Washington DC, I am thrice burned and twice shy now. And grudgingly see a Lesser of Two Evils deal with the Devil.

          Curt
          Who lost a "M1872" hat bugle at Perryville in 1976 which may mess up archeologists one day Mess
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          • #6
            Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

            All battle reenactments at Perryville would end just like they ended at Cedar Creek. Right?
            Silas Tackitt,
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            • #7
              Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

              I reluctantly vote yes. I think, with the extreme shortfall in state coffers, that converting it to a National Park Status would preserve it short of the entire country falling. I am certain there are going to be monetary issues in the near future with states especially when the bond market goes and that would certainly put any state park in jeopardy. Bond market is ready to pop.

              It may end some events but we must look toward preservation to future generations rather than events. Kentucky has done a great job with that battlefield but I vote for NP status over events.
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              • #8
                Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

                All of the following is my personal opinion, however I say yes for the reasons Doug, Silas, and Rich mentioned.

                Perryville is by far my favorite non-NPS Civil War site, if it ever gained NPS status it may quickly be my favorite in that category and a dream location to work at.

                I do think it would help the economy of the area. There were a few articles that made rounds earlier in the year that showed how much money the NPS units brought into "gateway communities" through tourism dollars. We're are talking millions of dollars due to gas, food, lodging, souvenirs, etc., People from out of state that may not visit otherwise would visit just because it was a NPS site. The State of Kentucky has done a great job from what I have seen the times I have been there, but the budgets of most state sites are likely a drop in the bucket of what it would be for a federal site. I think NPS designation would not only help the community, but help the site itself.

                It could be made a NPS site with the stipulation that reenactments are still allowed to occur there, like Cedar Creek as mentioned by Silas, and since the reenactment is a cash cow for the community. Even if that stipulation was not made Living History is a huge component of the Interpretation of most of the Civil War NPS sites, including my own so it would not completely go away.

                Part of me does feel that it is disrespectful to feign taking casualties on hallowed ground anyway, which is the reason why there aren't reenactments at most NPS sites. (I am torn on this because I have personally enjoyed a few events at Perryville in the past and hope to make next year.) There are still many things that could be done at a site like Perryville outside of battle reenactments by folks in the authentic side of things, just like they do at Gettysburg, Chickamauga & Chattanooga, and here at Vicksburg to name a few.

                I don't want to sound disrespectful, and I may be reading it wrong, but it seems like people wouldn't want this to happen solely because they are afraid that there might not be a reenactment there anymore? That sounds like a different side of the hobby and against the permanent preservation of a crucial Civil War site - I am not aiming that at any one person in particular so please don't think I am trying to attack anyone. I think this is a great conversation to have and look forward to hearing what folks on both sides of the fence have to say.
                Jake Koch
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                • #9
                  Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

                  Well said Jake. Other than "no battle reenactments" I can't see any disadvantage to NPS status...seems like a no-brainer. Move the annual event off-park 2 weeks before or after and dovetail a great living history on the field during the anniversary weekend. Works everywhere else.

                  Frankly it would be the ultimate compliment to the folks who have worked so hard over the years to save and preserve this battlefield...and would lead to saving more ground most likely.
                  Soli Deo Gloria
                  Doug Cooper

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                  • #10
                    Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

                    I think why reenactments go on at Cedar Creek is that some of the land is NPS and some of it is in the variety of other organizations, some of whom are interested in holding the reenactment ( and some of whom are not). Not sure if this could work at Perryville. Would depend on how the land is dealt with...
                    The NPS has been doing more national/state/local partnerships in recent years which allows for NPS interpretation at a site, increased marketing power, but still sharing expenses (as they are stretched very thin) and keeping some control locally.
                    Peter Koch
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                    • #11
                      Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

                      In my personal opinion, Perryville should be transferred to NPS control. While some downside exists, NPS control means long-term viability and increased funding. As a Kentuckian, I've always felt somewhat slighted that the Commonwealth's civil war history has not been "recognized" by an NPS site. While NPS now controls the Fort Heiman site in Calloway County as a part of the Fort Henry/Fort Donelson unit, the fact remains that Perryville marks a watershed moment in the history of the war. Perryville certainly ranks as a more important preservation target in the grand scheme, even though it is much less threatened by private development than the Heiman site was when acquired.

                      Ultimately, while Perryville won't ever be opened to private development, the site is in danger of being pushed to the margins by budgetary reductions. Both candidates for governor in the current gubernatorial election have proposed privatization of at least some of the state's parks. http://www.whas11.com/story/news/loc...arks/30811713/

                      While this likely does not include Perryville given its historical importance, I'm not certain that it is a risk worth taking. As a former state government employee, I've witnessed first-hand what measures must be taken by individual agencies to get by during budget cuts--fat gets cut away first, but soon enough you're cutting muscle and bone.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

                        NPS took control of Middle Creek in KY in 92. Since then they placed some markers and a parking lot. Locals do the clean up and they reenact on the field. It is like the NPS stepped in and took over, then dumped it. Not saying this would happen to Perryville due to its size and importance in KY; but I see the move as negative.

                        What should be remembered is that Perryville could be a failed state park were it not for those individuals who strive to build it up. The folks running the park have also added to its size and preservation. Will the federal government step up and do the same? We constantly see battlefields in VA plowed under for urban development and it takes individuals, not the government to try and halt them. Perryville is continually adding to the park.

                        IMHO, a KY park run by Kentuckians will fair better than if the federal government steps in.
                        Christopher Helvey

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                        • #13
                          Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

                          Seems like from my cursory search, Middle Creek was designated a National Historic Landmark, definitely not the same thing as becoming a site within the NPS. I think the battlefield is owned and managed by a non-profit. The only thing the National Historic Landmark, while a tremendous stepping stone, did was give it status and higher eligibility for tax credits and grants.

                          Your point about local folks working hard for an important piece of land is significant, even for NPS sites. But there is a lot that elements of the federal government can do, and Civil War Trust provides an example of maximizing private, corporate, and governmental dollars.
                          Peter Koch
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                          • #14
                            Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

                            Currently, I don't support making Perryville part of the NPS system.

                            On the local economics side, I don't see a change. The park currently brings in the same number of annual visitors as NPS battlefields of similar size in similar rural locations. The park is already on every list of top battlefields in the country to visit, aside from the NPS list. Unless I'm missing something, the change of designation would make the park "more prestigious", but I don't see it attracting more tourist money to the area.

                            I also don't see it attracting more jobs directly. Aside from potentially creating some temporary jobs through making changes immediately after the takeover, I don't see anything in the long term beyond changing the current state jobs to federal jobs. As a Kentucky taxpayer, I can understand wanting to make California and New York cover some of the costs of operating the park, but I see drawbacks, too.

                            I've read about the NPS having problems funding maintenance and improvements of parks. A place like Perryville, while important, is likely not going to be at the top of the list for such funds. Currently, locals are able to take care of these things through a combination of fund raising and volunteer work. Things may change with state funding, but until there's more evidence that such a change may occur, I don't think the parks financial stability is in danger.

                            Then there's the issue of holding reenactments. On average years, the reenactment attracts several hundred to a few thousand visitors to the park and the area. On years with bigger events, that increases to tens of thousands of visitors to the area. Again, not just for us being able to use the park for ourselves, knowing that we can always continue doing living histories there, but for the area, it's a bad economic deal to put the park in the position of not being able to host the events that they've been able to in the past.

                            As things change, I'm open to reconsidering my stance, but for now, I think it's a bad idea.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Should Perryville Become an NPS Site?

                              Thanks for participating in this poll. This is an important question, not just for Perryville, but for future sites that might want to go the NPS route.

                              My personal opinion is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Perryville has enjoyed immense preservation success over the years by cooperating with the Civil War Trust. It puts on some of the best reenactments of any of the public sites. The battlefield itself is pristine and well-maintained. I see no value in bringing in the NPS. Then again, I rarely see value in federalizing something that is best-maintained by local people who know best what is right for their own area.

                              As I stated on FB, "It is my opinion that NOT being a part of the NPS is one of Perryville's biggest advantages."
                              ERIC TIPTON
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