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    Below is a post that I had written in another thread but wanted to float the idea under its own thread in case some haven't seen it. The idea is to use this site as a collection point for those who would like to be part of a large effort on behalf of preserving historic land and/or structures.


    .......I like the idea of this site becoming a force in preservation. While I understand that not everyone is capable or wants to give to EVERY cause, I feel that this site might be a place to set up an annual preservation cause, one in the East and one in the West, where people who want to and can, to contribute throughout the year.

    For example, I held a somewhat low key fund raiser during the month of April on the forum to help purchase 16+ acres at Chancellorsville. I raised money for a month (April) and got $400! What the frustrating part of this was was that despite posting it on three different forums, I received 8 donations, more than half of those were from my unit, the SWB. Only about 3-4 members of any forum were able to give at that time. Does that mean it was a lean month or is there no interest in this? I don't know.

    But maybe, by expanding the time of collection and having some of the leaders in the hobby to advocate raising the money (newsletters, flyers at events, etc.), maybe we could raise some serious money without asking for too much from too few people. You've heard this before from me, but even if people were able to give $5 a month, that would be $60 a year. $60 X the 2000 members on this forum alone would be $120,000!

    Now of course, some can't give or just don't want to. That's fine. I suspect that some will give more than $5 a month toward this. Either way, we win.

    I am willing to do this, collect the money and administer it. We would come up with some criteria for which organization/cause we would raise money for, possibly online voting here at the forum. That's easy enough.

    Any interest??????

    There seems to be some confusion with my post. I'm not advocating setting up an organization to compete with CWPT or any other existing organization. I wish to collect money FOR one of these organizations FROM the A/C membership. The idea is to use the size of the membership to raise as much money as possible FOR groups like CWPT, STFB, CBVT or Friends of Mansfield. The donor would receive the tax benefit for writing a check and should be more comfortable sending money to me if it is made out to a particular organization. Hope this clears the matter up.


    I really would like the opinions of some of the preservation allies here (Matthew, Doug, et al) on the viability of this. I think reenactors can make a difference in raising money for preservation. I hope others do also.

    CWPT Most Endangered Battlefields

    Chancellorsville
    Fort Donelson
    Franklin
    Glendale
    "The Hell Hole" near Pickett's Mill (E)
    Mansfield (E)
    Morris Island
    New Bern
    South Mountain (E)
    Wilson's Creek

    (E) Authentic event held near/at location in 2004
    Last edited by dusty27; 05-20-2004, 05:39 PM.
    Mike "Dusty" Chapman

    Member: CWT, CVBT, NTHP, MOC, KBA, Stonewall Jackson House, Mosby Heritage Foundation

    "I would have posted this on the preservation folder, but nobody reads that!" - Christopher Daley

    The AC was not started with the beginner in mind. - Jim Kindred

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    Re: A/C members collecting money

    How ethical/legal would it be to charge an annual or monthly membership fee to the forum? You have to pay to post. $1/month with 2000 members would raise $24,000 / year. A small percent could go to the cost of running the forums and the rest to preservation. (charging a fee for the privilege of posting may also weed out some of the riff raff)

    Another option is paying per post. 10 cents per post. You would have to pre-pay for your post. When the account runs dry... no more posting until you make another donation.

    Food for thought.

    Brad Ireland
    Brad Ireland
    Old Line Mess
    4th VA CO. A
    SWB

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    • #3
      Re: A/C members collecting money

      Perhaps Paul could post a little box at the top of the forum (instead of the "this date during the war" box) that lists the current preservation fundraising efforts. They could be links to threads explaining what the particular effort is.

      When you get down to it, preservation of Civil War sites & structures is what its really all about.

      Greg Starbuck
      The brave respect the brave. The brave
      Respect the dead; but you -- you draw
      That ancient blade, the ass's jaw,
      And shake it o'er a hero's grave.


      Herman Melville

      http://www.historicsandusky.org

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      • #4
        Re: A/C members collecting money

        I like Greg's idea! Sometimes tough to focus. I also like Brad's idea.

        I believe we are a force, but we have no serious money. If we have learned anything it is that serious money will come from us reaching out to the public at every chance we get...and combining with CWPT and the various grass roots orgs to make something happen. This is tough because you have to "sell" preservation to a skeptical audience. So you have to tell the story well, and you have to use the experts like CWPT...and they have to be smart enough to use us.

        I can remember when units adopted certain parks, and their efforts went into upkeep, fund raising, living history, etc. Some still do, but it would be great if the NPS and States were smart enough to actively encourage that.

        Every living history done onsite at hallowed ground should have a preservation focus. Far from repelling folks...I think it would actually improve our reputation much - instead of being perceived as grown-ups in funny clothes by civilians, we would start being viewed as serious historians on a mission. That's the point you begin to reach serious money, and when coalitions get put together that can really make a difference. Look at guys like Keith, Matt, Greg, Neill and Dusty (to name just a few) - their reputation outside of the hobby is as strong as it is inside. They are advocates and historians first...and also happen to be great living historians. We need more folks willing to take a stand and reach out to allies in environmental, preservation, education and government entities.

        When we frame an issue, such as Morris Island, and network like crazy and mobilize folks, we can really make a difference.

        But we cannot be the primary source for funds...we need to go get the funds. As I counted the myriad number of checks for Mansfield generated by funds raisers like the Texas Rifles, it was obvious they literally walked the halls of businesses telling the story of Texans who died on a battlefield being swallowed by a coal mine. I recall little (then) Sam Harrelson washing cars, selling lemonade and goodness knows what else to save money for Virginia Peninsula projects and McDowell.

        We ought to be able to do the same to save the fields where Stonewall Jackson charged at Chancellorsville. Businesses and individuals get bombarded every day for money - we can help them focus on something where they can make a real difference. If nothing else, we can conduct membership drives for CWPT and local orgs. Get em to join and then the orgs take over.

        Dusty we fell short on your expectations for Cville because we looked inward to the hobby and the authentic end at that.

        Could we generate big bucks if we all donated that burger and fries to save Chancellorsville? Sure, but a dramatic preservation initiative like a business calling and visiting campaign using targeted lists combined with a later event at the site in question has real promise. There is abundant good will for sale out there, CWPT and other orgs need to help us help them find the money.
        Soli Deo Gloria
        Doug Cooper

        "The past is never dead. It's not even past." William Faulkner

        Please support the CWT at www.civilwar.org

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        • #5
          Re: A/C members collecting money

          A couple thoughts...
          1) My employer will match my donations to the CWPT, CVBT, or other 501(c)3 organizations. So, any fundraising efforts via the A-C would need to be structured so that folks like me don't lose the leverage of the company matching gift. Otherwise, money is literally thrown away.

          2) Doug Cooper has some good points on looking outside of our own little community for funds.
          John Wickett
          Former Carpetbagger
          Administrator (We got rules here! Be Nice - Sign Your Name - No Farbisms)

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          • #6
            Re: A/C members collecting money

            Wick,

            Under my "plan", any checks would continue to be made out to the preservation organization, so any matching gifts would be safe.

            Doug,

            Thanks for the comments. Valid points all. Your thoughts are very ambitious and somewhat beyond what I was thinking initially with the above idea. Reenacting on some level is a fraternal hobby where there are bonds between unit members. I consider the A/C forum as a similar fraternal organization. The idea of collecting money for preservation organizations THROUGH the A/C forum came from the human condition of wanting to be recognized for deeds well done.

            The collective "power" of the A/C forum as a donor to these preservation organizations could be significant. Once the fence sitters see what can be accomplished by a group, maybe they will come over to "our side" and help out.

            Major fund raising at business and corporate levels is a lot of work. More work than the average guy here is able to or has the time to do effectively. I agree that any fund raising attempts that we make here should be backed up with an event at the site, if this is possible. This would also allow us to come together as a group, meet each other and exchange ideas on future goals.

            My idea, bottom line, is to have reenactors be recognized for their efforts in preservation as a group, like Doug has stated. This is a rallying point for us. We can take pride in "doing our part".
            Mike "Dusty" Chapman

            Member: CWT, CVBT, NTHP, MOC, KBA, Stonewall Jackson House, Mosby Heritage Foundation

            "I would have posted this on the preservation folder, but nobody reads that!" - Christopher Daley

            The AC was not started with the beginner in mind. - Jim Kindred

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            • #7
              Re: A/C members collecting money

              Here is an example of what I am talking about with the idea. The A/C would determine that the annual fundraiser would be Franklin in the West for 2004. At $60/year ($5/mth), and 2000 members, the A/C preservationists would be able to send STFB $120,000 toward this debt!

              Contribute to our land purchase fund. And now serious fund-raising is being planned to pay off the $162,000 price tag of the Carter Cotton Gin Site.

              Also, at Chancellorsville, the $25,000 needed for the Jackson flank march site (16+ acres) would be paid off in 2 1/2 months, tremendously increasing the CVBT's chance at matching funds.

              The forum would be a mechanism to get the word out quickly and to collect money quickly for these causes. It could also be a place where these pres. orgs. would come to look for quality groups to have living histories at the sites in the future.
              Mike "Dusty" Chapman

              Member: CWT, CVBT, NTHP, MOC, KBA, Stonewall Jackson House, Mosby Heritage Foundation

              "I would have posted this on the preservation folder, but nobody reads that!" - Christopher Daley

              The AC was not started with the beginner in mind. - Jim Kindred

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              • #8
                Re: A/C members collecting money

                Having once worked for the Boy Scouts, I know just how hard it is to raise money. We would raise money from the public at large as well as solicit money from corporations and local business. All potential donors were "targeted" and cultivated in such a way as to optimize maximum success. When at all possible, have the person asking for the money be someone the "targeted" donor can't say NO to. Maybe it's a family member, a close friend, a supervisor or boss -- whatever. This takes a little/lot of background research and leg work but it can be worthwhile. Just try to get yourself in a position for the greatest return.

                Doug made some excellent points in that you have to sell the topic of preservation to your potential donors. It sounds like the Texans he referred to really did a good job in doing that -- explaining that it was Texans who fought and died on that battlefield, etc. This effectively tied the "average joe" to their fundraising cause. Most people are not going to give up any money for something that they can not connect themselves to. The best example of this was told to me by a longtime Scouter who solicited a well known business man for a contribution to the Boy Scouts. When the business man asked why he should give to the Boy Scouts (he was the father of 2-3 girls), my friend responded, "You want them to marry good, upstanding boys, don't you?". That sold him and he became a yearly contributer.

                The average person on these boards may not be able to approach local businesses or corporations and solicit them for contributions. But then again, we won't get the money if we don't ask for it. And asking is free.
                Matthew Easley

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                • #9
                  Re: A/C members collecting money

                  Here's a thought...

                  Would requiring folks to submit their CWPT member number as part of the registration process for posting here be feasible?

                  Cordially,

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                  • #10
                    Re: A/C members collecting money

                    Keith,

                    While I like the idea, that would, unfortunately, reduce our membership quite a bit, I would guess.

                    I don't want this to be exclusive to anyone. I would want the largest number of members donating as possible.
                    Mike "Dusty" Chapman

                    Member: CWT, CVBT, NTHP, MOC, KBA, Stonewall Jackson House, Mosby Heritage Foundation

                    "I would have posted this on the preservation folder, but nobody reads that!" - Christopher Daley

                    The AC was not started with the beginner in mind. - Jim Kindred

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                    • #11
                      Re: A/C members collecting money

                      Originally posted by dusty27
                      Keith,

                      While I like the idea, that would, unfortunately, reduce our membership quite a bit, I would guess.

                      I don't want this to be exclusive to anyone. I would want the largest number of members donating as possible.
                      I'm with Mike on this one. Far better to increase the number of members who donate, than to decrease the number of members. And as always, the trick is to figure out how to do that!
                      Bruce Hoover
                      Palmetto Living History Assoc.

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                      • #12
                        Re: A/C members collecting money

                        Originally posted by cprljohnivey
                        How ethical/legal would it be to charge an annual or monthly membership fee to the forum? You have to pay to post. $1/month with 2000 members would raise $24,000 / year. A small percent could go to the cost of running the forums and the rest to preservation. (charging a fee for the privilege of posting may also weed out some of the riff raff)

                        Brad Ireland
                        I like the sound of this one myself! I do beleive this would deter some of the "Childish Activity". If you ponder on this a while, we are willing to pay $25-$30 to register for an event, it wouldn't kill us to pay $5-$15 a month or even a year for membership to the A/C. Paul could give everyone wanting to retain their membership a month or two to send the check in.

                        Just my .02

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                        • #13
                          Re: A/C members collecting money

                          Here is a link to a thread I started in the sinks a while back. I think it was poorly titled and didnt see allot of viewing.

                          Robert Johnson

                          "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



                          In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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                          • #14
                            Re: A/C members collecting money

                            All of the thoughts expressed thus far are valid and good in their own right. The key is to gather money. A little. A lot. Whatever amount can be gathered is better than none at all. The problem is convincing people, even reenactors, to give.

                            I hate to be a wet blanket on a subject that is very dear to me. Though my own experience is that there are plenty of folks who will show up for an event that happens to support preservation but precious few who will just hand over money for the same activity unless they receive something in return.

                            I say simply, if you put it up here, I will give. I only hope that others do as well.
                            Rob Westbrook
                            Co. D 1st Minnesota Infantry

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                            • #15
                              Re: A/C members collecting money

                              Rob,

                              I agree. I hope a few are behind this idea and back it up with donations. If they do, others will see the results and hopefully, will want to do their part......
                              Mike "Dusty" Chapman

                              Member: CWT, CVBT, NTHP, MOC, KBA, Stonewall Jackson House, Mosby Heritage Foundation

                              "I would have posted this on the preservation folder, but nobody reads that!" - Christopher Daley

                              The AC was not started with the beginner in mind. - Jim Kindred

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