Vote For the December Cover

[C. Johnson]

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And?

Cody Johnson

[Horace]

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All three of these images are outstanding.
The Fighting Boys Mess are a gang of degraded louts. This isn't news to anyone out here. In spite of my frequently trying to avoid their drunken hooliganism whenever I see them, looking at these three images I see theirs channeling the moment and the era the best. They're assuming the poses they've seen in other tintypes; locked arms, resolute posture. I really like picture 2 posed in tribute to a period image, but picture 3 shows men simply awkwardly posing the best they know how, in a totally period way. This is them, which to me edges out a latter day study of someone else, even though 2 came out great.
As far as pointing out 'hardees and shells', it's like saying the guys in picture 1 are trying to look eastern. They do look eastern. Image 3 looks totally, unselfconsciously Western. Compare it to the period image of soldiers at Lookout Mountain. They look like they've been in the field awhile and haven't washed in a week. With most of the Fighting Boys, this is the actual case.

[PVT.THIB]

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Wow Pat, so much for historically based impressions!

[Ian McWherter]

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Wow Pat, so much for historically based impressions!

No, Western Federals never wore hardee hats or jackets never...

[Gerry]

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Pat is simply pointing out that a soon rising majority of "hardcores" are trying their best to stand out of the normal mainstream crowd. And i am not degrading or trashing their photo, i actually like it and believe the body posture is just on. But it is just the impression that is becoming so popular, which is also embracing what Todd had to say with the "drunken hooliganism." It is starting to take a toll on the hobby.

And as for Jason's comment, it is not the historical accuracy of the impression, it is again the OVERUSE of it. I go to an event an see half the confederate's with their trousers rolled up to their kneecaps because it looks "authentic". Or on the Fed side when you see a group of hxc "campaigners" who feel the need to wear their hardees cocked so far over it is falling off their heads.

Again, not busting on the image at all, but i hate to break it to some of those ruff hxc's out there, it was not a fashion show, it was an army.

[Andrew Kasmar]

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Hi,

Pat is simply pointing out the a soon rising majority of "hardcore's" are trying their best to stand out of the normal mainstream crowd. And i am not degrading or trashing their photo, just the impression that is becoming so popular, which is also embracing what Todd had to say with the "drunken hooliganism." It is starting to take a toll on the hobby
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Gerry McGowan

I think Mr. McGowan has it right; I believe that was what original post was about. I am not saying anything bad about the image, infact I really like the image, and I do not think that the picture has anything to "stand out" with. Further more, there is nothing that jumps out at me as "unauthentic" about the picture at all. Just my 2 cents.

Andrew

[John-Owen Kline]

Number three has depth, contrast and content. The setting has a very recognizable and natural feel to it and doesn’t appear to be contrived, haughty or trendy. Anything but those. Other than the framing of the ground cloth as the back drop I don’t see anything I haven’t seen before in hundreds of original images of the common soldier of the American Civil War - which is, if I’m not mistaken, the focus of this board.

And I'm always up for a good monochrome VS polychrome debate.

John-Owen Kline

[FranklinGuardsNYSM]

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Darn hardkewls.

I sure wouldn't expect there to be so many personalities among 2 million individuals between 1861 and 1865, either.

(Really, I've seen worse "HXC-ism" than what's alleged in #3. That said, my vote was for #2 because it was instantly identifiable as a replication of a specific image, and really, the most accurate 'reenactment' is when you're able to do something specific that an individual is known to have done for one small moment in time. In this case, posing for an image in that manner.)

Image attached is LC-B811- 2672[P&P], "Chattanooga, Tenn., vicinity. Federal camp by the Tennessee River."

[Gerry]

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marc, we are not "attacking" the boys in 3 in anyway, nor the impression in that picture, merely the impressions of the hobby as a whole.

[FranklinGuardsNYSM]

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Agreed, Gerry. Just didn't see how any of these images was a representation of the symptom of "weird for the sake of weird," as Moe Szyslack says, in the hobby.

[Ian McWherter]

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This is ridiculous, I just submitted an image for consideration, if you don't like it fine, don't vote for it. If you want to rip "hardkewls" do it on some other thread please. I'm not a hardkewl nor are any of my pards, so take the rants elsewhere. If there is something inaccurate in our impressions that calls for legitimate criticism, then comment on that, but I haven't heard anything of the sort. It's funny to me that some of the comments about these evil "hardkewls" are posted by some who've not even been involved in the authentic side of this hobby as long as us. The other images up for consideration are wonderful, all the best to them.

I guess you can't have a close race without people's emotions getting the best of them...

[DougCooper]

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The voting reflects the quality of the images. This is the first time I can remember coming away with the impression someone snuck some originals into the contest.

Well done everyone.

[Old Cremona]

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This is ridiculous

I couldn't agree more. Why on earth are we opining on some supposedly inaccurate impressions when we're supposed to be discussing the submitted images? We need some moderation here.

[D F Smith Historic]

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It is interesting........., with all 3 images being excellent in their accuracy, look, and feel compared to original images.

It seems to me that there are some "perceived notions" of what is correct or common at play here. Some of this also looks to me to be fueled in a small part by the old East vs. West debate; with some amount unwarranted veiled hostility toward #3 just because these fellows are portraying a western look.

Pictures should be judged on their historical accuracy & how closely they match the originals in general, or how accurately a specific image matches the original that inspired it.


Don S

[garyjd]

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I think ignoring said comments would have worked just fine. I'm the last one that will argue with someone that thinks the grass is blue and the sky is green. Lets keep on the subject at hand they are ALL excellent images worthy of being the cover. ~Gary