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  • #76
    Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

    Sadly, this is the longest and most viewed thread in quite some time.
    B. G. Beall (Long Gone)

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    • #77
      Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

      yeah, its like a train wreck!
      -ELI GEERY- Corinthian No. 414-F&AM
      "The Dippin' Gourd Mess" (FOUNDER)
      "Original MOOCOWS Board of directors member"
      "The Bully Boys"
      "The Hard Case Boys"
      "The Independant Mess"
      29th Infantry DIV/OEF/OJG Veteran
      3d Iinfantry DIV/OIF Veteran

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      • #78
        Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

        Originally posted by Vuhginyuh View Post
        Sadly, this is the longest and most viewed thread in quite some time.
        I was thinking the same thing. Too bad this thread isnt a research based thread. If people would be more concerned with research and less with this type of stuff we might get some new info and insight out to the masses.
        Here is a novel idea. dont worry about what the other guy is doing. Just worry about doing some reaserch and possibly sharing it with others.
        Russell L. Stanley
        Co.A 1st Texas Infantry
        Co.A 45th Mississippi
        Co.D 8th Missouri (CS)
        Steelville JayBirds Mess

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        • #79
          Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

          Originally posted by gilham View Post
          I was thinking the same thing. Too bad this thread isnt a research based thread. If people would be more concerned with research and less with this type of stuff we might get some new info and insight out to the masses.
          Here is a novel idea. dont worry about what the other guy is doing. Just worry about doing some reaserch and possibly sharing it with others.
          Sir-

          Sometimes, we need to air the dirty laundry before it gets clean again... I like this discussion. :wink_smil
          Johnny Lloyd
          John "Johnny" Lloyd
          Moderator
          Think before you post... Rules on this forum here
          SCAR
          Known to associate with the following fine groups: WIG/AG/CR

          "Without history, there can be no research standards.
          Without research standards, there can be no authenticity.
          Without the attempt at authenticity, all is just a fantasy.
          Fantasy is not history nor heritage, because it never really existed." -Me


          Proud descendant of...

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          • #80
            Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

            Originally posted by plankholder View Post
            Okay, I'll bite...
            Let me preface by making two statements; Mr. Kindred, when I came into this hobby in EARLY 90's, I cut my teeth on your research and doctrine-for that I have the utmost respect for you and will always be in your debt. That being said, you are grumpy, heavy handed and unapproachable(other than that I am sure we would get along fine). Kurt, despite your constant and annoying use of pidgin German(which gives me flashbacks to Howenfeld), you are THE MAN when it comes to period armamant. These two facts cannot be disputed by anyone on this forum, period. I think that we all do(or should) appreciate the role that ALL of the MODS fulfil. As far as being active-I have only been to ONE event this year, of course I have spent the year in Baghdad, but I guess we all have our excuses. I have long been a proponant of the mindset, that everyone gets what they want(or need) out of this hobby and everyone's wants(or needs) are valid. My understanding, is that this is a forum designed the culture the sharing of information, and growth of our chosen hobby. Im am afraid that it does neither very effectivly anymore. I am contacted several times a year by new people interested in our hobby, in search of direction, I know better than to steer them to this forum. Its a shame, possibly a mortal sin, that this forum which offers the most exspansive collection of pertinant information, as well as subject matter experts-also has a near monopoly of a@@holes. The average life expectancy of a beginner or "new fish"(stupid term) is about 36 seconds, before they are driven to the mainstream masses. We should ALL be ashamed of that. This hobby is full of personalities, is full of pricks(self included)-if any of us were normal, we would be home doing something more productive than eating beef liver and filtering coffee beans through our teeth. This is my biggest complaint, this has become a social forum for an elite mafia. We arent doing ourselves or the hobby any justice, we have lost our way. Why are numbers down at events? The economy sucks, and reenactors are neurotic a-holes, pretty simple. We need to reexamine ourselves as a collective group and find a new direction. We need to become approachable and forward moving. This site should be about the advancement of the hobby, not about what you wear, or what crap you put on your signature block-no one cares. Gentlemen(and ladies), labels are for can goods and magazines, if you think you are hardcore, your lying to yourself-if you think you are progressive, your not(nothing is new under the sun) ALL of the "authentics" died a century and a half ago. If the forum is for "Living Historians" then it should be moderated by "Living Historians", active living historians(if you do a few events a year, you are active in my book). That being said, we cant afford to let the knowledge of individuals like Mr. Kindred pass through our fingers, no matter how prickly he may be-there has to be a place for him here. I would encourage Mr. Kindred, "the AC mafia", the forum members, and whomever else it may apply to, to lighten up-this isnt real. No matter how you glorify what we do, its still make belief. Personal differences aside, the big problem is that this forum is not serving its desire purpose-maybe we need a few new MODS(I know most of them and as individuals, they are fine people), maybe we need a few new members-personally I believe its BOTH. Thats my opinion and we all know what opinions are like, dont we? Mrs. Lawson, as well as all the other ladies of the congregation, I apologize for my language-you know where to find me if a spoon thrashing is in order. This has been interesting, lets see if it will be productive.
            ..... What he said.
            [I]"Shout Boys, make a noise, the Yankees are afraid.
            Something's up and Hell's to pay when Shelby's on a raid!"[/I]


            John Burgher
            Northeast Missouri Rebel
            Son of Both, Grandson of 1812,
            Great Grandson of Yorktown Patriot

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            • #81
              Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements
              [/LIST]Moderators:[LIST][*]Beth Crabb[*]Michael Comer[*]Pat Craddock[*]Emmanuel Dabney[*]Troy Groves[*]Jim Kindred - Inactive[*]Ken Knopp[*]Johnny Lloyd[*]Neill Rose[*]Curt Schmidt - Inactive? (7-8 events per year)[*]Mark Tackitt[*]Lee White[*]John Wickett


              Paul, what did I do wrong? ;.)
              Mike "Dusty" Chapman

              Member: CWT, CVBT, NTHP, MOC, KBA, Stonewall Jackson House, Mosby Heritage Foundation

              "I would have posted this on the preservation folder, but nobody reads that!" - Christopher Daley

              The AC was not started with the beginner in mind. - Jim Kindred

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              • #82
                Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                I do not reenact. I have ZERO interest in doing so. I get my history fix by reading the forums for whatever little tidbits of historical information may be given by folks such as Curt Schmidt, Paul Mckee, Aden Nichols, and many of the other "old timers" when they're thankfully, willing to share. Anybody who thinks those guys shouldn't be helping out around here and posting clearly doesn't know much and hasn't been around this hobby long enough.

                Life, real interests, and the "EBUFU" movement is what made me and I suspect many of the other old-timers (125th era) say goodbye. This entire thread is what would keep me from ever wanting to attend an event ever again. I've got too much other fun stuff in life to do...things that are real and not make believe.

                Once upon a time, I knew a little bit about the cavalry. Don't ever chastise guys who actually know what they're talking about just because they have better things to do with their time. Just be thankful they're still willing to share anything here and remind yourself to "Shut up and listen."

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                • #83
                  Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                  When the Authentic Campaigner list serve started it was about the three legged stool of man, methods, and materials. The early days were spent on the materials, because then nobody was making quality gear. Now all it really takes is a checkbook. Instead of working on the methods and the man most are running back to stand next to the gal troops in Pakistani made uniforms. I am grateful groups like WIG, Armory Guards, Tramp Brigade, and SCAR that host events that make me wish I was not in California. Events that need background research and field craft skills, brought together for the three legged stool.
                  Things I do know is the search function works, and sometimes tolerance is a determent. When the BS meter is set off anything else said is suspect. Finally we need to move past the Camp Chase plagiarism which is what is really hurting our end of the hobby.
                  Andrew Grim
                  The Monte Mounted Rifles, Monte Bh'oys

                  Burbank #406 F&AM
                  x-PBC, Co-Chairman of the Most Important Committee
                  Peter Lebeck #1866, The Ancient and Honorable Order of E Clampus Vitus
                  Billy Holcomb #1069, Order of Vituscan Missionaries

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                  • #84
                    Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                    " The standard is "

                    And people claim there's no National Organization :)
                    John Duffer
                    Independence Mess
                    MOOCOWS
                    WIG
                    "There lies $1000 and a cow."

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                    • #85
                      Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                      Sorry Dusty! Oversight there on my part.
                      Paul Calloway
                      Proudest Member of the Tar Water Mess
                      Proud Member of the GHTI
                      Member, Civil War Preservation Trust
                      Wayne #25, F&AM

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                      • #86
                        Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                        I am sure I am perceived by many as the virtual Sith of the hobby now. But, despite all the virtual angst, the group I belong to is doing quite well. People who know me and my comrades in person know that we have brought into our group many new friends and members from the mainstream. Many do both types of events. We have opened the door for them, offered loaner gear, guidance and most of all our friendship. I try to work hard with blood, sweat, time and money to do work for events so reenactors of many stripes can come and have a grand time.
                        I am guilty of virtual inappropriatness as many other are. I am at times guilty of pointing out that the "Emperor has no clothes." Despite this usually just causing stones to be thrown at me, sometimes some positive discussion and change can occur. I did not ask for this to be discussed publicly. My opinion is mine and no more valid than the next one. It is difficult to judge ones personality ny their virtual one. I think this is why I am so passionate about getting guys in the field (even if it is once a year) so we can meet face-to-face and share the hobby we enjoy in the field where it was meant to be. I will continue to work for my friends and comrades in this hobby.

                        Jim Butler
                        Jim Butler

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                        • #87
                          Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                          I am just glad the vendor list got updated. I think we also need a "secret" vendor list posted somewhere so we could all share in both approved and not approved vendors. I think it hurts the hobby when people do not have access to who can make great items, it directly affects the quality of kits in the field and knowledge.

                          But I know, the vendors pay $ to have their name on "the list" and you can also control quality etc.

                          All i'm saying is I want a place to go where I can find out who makes the best BLANK, so WE ALL can buy BLANK, know all about BLANK, and see more BLANKS at events. Seriously, having small vendor options limits the hobby and what you see in the field. I feel like after you find out some great tidbit of info on this forum or elsewhere in your own research, and then go "Great, who makes that? oh well, guess i wont be adding that to my impression."

                          The AC makes vendors highly visible, i guess u gotta pay for that visibility? And please don't start replying with "Well thats why I make all my own stuff.." Because no one can make everything WELL, that is the key, not just make something, make it WELL.

                          (...Any Vendors who read this post, please still let me buy things from you....)
                          Brian William Huerta

                          Fighting Boys Mess

                          Liberty Rifles

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                          • #88
                            Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                            Originally posted by Craig L Barry View Post
                            And for the mods part, nut-up and be a man. Take the high road for a change. It's part of the price of
                            being in a leadership position.
                            Excuse me, and how exactly am I supposed to nut-up and be a man? Here again is an example of the general membership not knowing who all the moderators are. Speaking for Elizabeth Stewart Clark & myself, we female moderators will be happy to identify posts we edit or delete, if/when Paul indicates that is OK to do so.
                            Beth Crabb

                            IN LOVING MEMORY OF
                            John Crabb July 10, 1953 - Nov. 25, 2009

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                            • #89
                              Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                              Beth,

                              You just Identified yet another "Double Standard"

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                              • #90
                                Re: Open Discussion about Moderating / Membership Disagreements

                                All -
                                I appreciate everyones comments - and no Jim, you're not a sith, although I do appreciate the SW reference. Rest assured we're reading the comments and will be looking toward making some adjustments, hopefully for the good of everybody in the very near future.
                                Paul Calloway
                                Proudest Member of the Tar Water Mess
                                Proud Member of the GHTI
                                Member, Civil War Preservation Trust
                                Wayne #25, F&AM

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