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    Greetings Everyone!

    To paraphrase my favorite general, "Facebook, Facebook, Facebook! You'd think Facebook is going to do a back somersault and land in our rear. Instead of talking about what Facebook will do to us, let's start talking about what we can do with Facebook." Yep, US Grant again. I like that quote.

    Over the past week, I have talked to dozens of people, observed and read on various forums and have tried to answer the question, "How can a Civil War Forum fit in during the rein of Facebook?" "Is there still a place for forums in this new cyber world?" "Is Facebook going to kill the AC?" Quite the contrary. I think it depends on how it is utilized.

    Listen, I really like Facebook. Many of you have seen me there and I have seen many of you. I like to keep up with old friends and it has been fun to learn more about the members in the CW hobby and what they do in their "real life". Like many others, I hadn't been to the AC in a while either when I came here to post our event information for Corricks Ford. When I got here, I couldn't believe that I couldn't find events listed here. So, I went on FB and searched down the events. At the same time, one of the members here, Pete Berezuk was also working on an event calendar and for the same reason - the information that used to be in one place is now everyplace. So, if there had to be a central location for the schedule, I think it needs to be here - again.

    From what I understand, when the first AC Facebook page was opened, there was a struggle with the staff here, because the rules were not really enforceable on the Facebook version. No signing names. People from all walks of life were posting topics and without the structure of this forum, it was hard to control the content from straying too far from the purpose here. The first site was shuttered and the staff started over with a second site.

    With the second Facebook page, the staff decided that if they posted the content, it would be easier to keep people focused on the discussions. You will notice on the page that different articles were posted from news organizations and other sources and the AC was once again putting out content on the FB page.

    The problem I saw with that strategy is that it is separate from the forum here. If separate topics are posted over on FB, then it doesn't encourage people to come here. The biggest complaint I have heard from people about Facebook where it concerns the CW is that people used to be able to come here and everything is in one place. On Facebook, the information is scattered amongst the many groups. Not too bad as long as you keep up with everyone, but to get to the information, you have to wade through a lot of pop culture, politics and the latest meme to find it. So, over the last few weeks, I have conducted my market research and this is the conclusion as far as this site is concerned. "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

    There is a way that we can promote the forum, utilize Facebook and spread the word about our hobby at the same time. It is really pretty simple:

    1) Link the Two Sites - The staff here will find threads on the forum that they think might be interesting to the larger public, or we might broadcast events, or bully buys, or whatever we think needs to be broadcasted. We copy the link to the thread. We paste the thread link into a Facebook post. Bingo. If you are cruising Facebook, it pops up on your feed if you have liked the AC FB Page page and you can click on the link right from FB and it will take you directly to the thread. You can respond right on FB if you like, or you can follow the thread back to here. Instead of creating a separate site with separate topics, we link the two together. We may still post articles from other sites, but most of it will be from here.

    2) How Can Members Use Facebook Here? The staff aren't the only ones that can link to FB. You may have noticed that it is already integrated here on the site. You can link your FB account at the top of the page when you log in. If your accounts are linked, when you post a thread, there is a check box right next to the posting button that will allow you to post the thread on Facebook at the same time that you post it here. It will go on the forum and on your Facebook feed. So, you can also "broadcast" your thread to the larger audience and bring people here at the same time.

    3) Like Threads - You can like posts right here on the forum just like Facebook.

    4) vBulletin 5 - Paul and I have been discussing the next vBulletin update - Version 5. We need to do some more research, but Version 5 is supposed to be more integrated than the current version. We want to make sure that we have everything settled down a bit from the management change, but the new version is coming this year.

    I would like to hear your thoughts. I really would, because ultimately, the staff operates the site and Paul created the site for you guys. So, what do you think? Facebook - friend or foe? Remember MySpace?
    Last edited by Eric Tipton; 01-20-2014, 10:36 PM.
    ERIC TIPTON
    Former AC Owner

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    Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

    As long as it doesn't take away the purpose of this site, and as long as it raises awareness and promotes this site for what it is, I have no problem with it.
    Micah Trent
    Tar Water Mess/Mess No. 1
    Friends of Perryville Battlefield State Historic Site

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    • #3
      Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

      Good point Micah. The hope is that it brings folks to this site. We're just going to have to see how it goes. It may surprise us.
      Ken Cornett
      MESS NO.1
      Founding Member
      OHIO
      Mason Lodge #678, PM
      Need Rules?

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      • #4
        Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

        The AC needs to follow the model of magazines and such that remain viable in respect to FaceBook. I can think of a couple of hobby magazines that use FB to sell their magazines and push content, and to hook readers or potential readers to go to the magazine, or in some cases main website. FB's format does not provide the structure and control of this site, but I'm personally ok with that, although I know other members here are not.

        The difficulty for the AC is that it doesn't provide pushed content the way that magazines/commercial websites do. It is chiefly a discussion and info board with content driven by the members that post in unpredictable frequency. I like having the compilation of events in one place, and getting info in clear, coherent and concise form, without having to sort, or having to be "friends" with the right people. That said, I know that in the past, getting the "blessing" of the AC for events has been a challenge, and has often felt to many like a popularity contest or a secret society sort of thing. If you want to run an event, why would you want the green light from folks on this forum when you can just go ahead and blast it out on FB?

        Lots of questions without easy answers. I like the AC in concept, and I like what it has been in the past, and what it could be in the future. Hopefully under "new" management it will find a new vitality.

        Take care,
        Tom Craig
        1st Maine Cavalry
        Tom Craig

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        • #5
          Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

          "If you want to run an event, why would you want the green light from folks on this forum when you can just go ahead and blast it out on FB?"

          Tom. Precisely. That's what happened to us with Corricks Ford. FB was our main announcement. Only problem is that the night we announced CF was the same night the Duck Dynasty thing exploded. Who can plan for that?!?!

          We have really been focusing on bringing the events back here again. All I can tell everyone is that we are proactively looking for EBUFU and Adjunct Events. I sent out 11,000 e-mails a few days ago. I received a lot of very positive feedback and a lot of constructive feedback. The thing I heard the most was about having the events here. Someone once said, "It's all about the events." :p
          ERIC TIPTON
          Former AC Owner

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          • #6
            Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

            If I could "Like" Eric's post above I would. Events posted here need to conform to some kind of standard so as a member I know when I see an event I have a basic understanding of what I can expect just like the gear being sold. If someone is not willing or understanding to provide that info then that is on them and is questionable in my book. An event organizer doesn't need the green light from here but it cant hurt to get it posted if the organizer wants to get the wider word out in an organized manner. That being sad once those basic things are met it needs to be posted which it seems Eric and others are all for. We NEED a single depository to communicate events through. Facebook is not it as I HATE digging through crap to find out about an event, or missed an event info posting or trying to find that research nugget that was posted as a comment in a post that is lost in the noise. Those issues don't exist here.
            Respectfully,

            Jeremy Bevard
            Moderator
            Civil War Digital Digest
            Sally Port Mess

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            • #7
              Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

              Advantages of Facebook is reach and ease of use. Disadvantages are as already pointed out by Jeremy about digging through lots of crap to find what you want. What I experienced in a postitive regard with Facebook, when we put together our company for Murray's Brigade for 150 BGA Gettysburg we built a Facebook page as a closed group since we were working with the AOP guys from California, and it was a great coordination, communication and even a teambuilding tool for the event.
              Frank Siltman
              24th Mo Vol Inf
              Cannoneer, US Army FA Museum Gun Crew
              Member, Oklahoma Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission
              Company of Military Historians
              Lawton/Fort Sill, OK

              Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -- and claims a halo for his dishonesty.— Robert A. Heinlein

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              • #8
                Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

                Tom, great point about the trouble with getting events out. ET and the current staff want the AC to be the place to post a quality event. If you want to post an event just follow these guidelines for getting an event on the forum.

                * Date/Location
                * Identified unit impression
                * Impression guidelines based on historic data
                * Established organization and structure with reasonable goals for numbers
                * Activities outside the event standard schedule that add value to the event for the participant
                * Traditional EBUFU activities: rations, guard, drill, some level of immersion even if temporary (i.e., overnight picket or short march, based on historic actions of course!)"
                * Website, Email List, FB page, etc

                I'm assisting with getting events set up here again. Let's see how it goes. If the event falls within these parameters, it should not be an issue. We ask that you take a look and see if the event you want to place is conflicting with another quality event in the same region.

                Thanks.
                Herb Coats
                Armory Guards &
                WIG

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                • #9
                  Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

                  My two cents, the thing that has brought me back to the AC page is Search Function, Search Function, Search Function. That for me is just one of the things this forum has that Facebook cannot match. If I want to see the progression from say 10 years ago the info is easily found through the search function. Countless times I run into threads with 5-7 years ago that are relevant to what I do today. Just my two cents. I will now move out and draw fire.
                  Mike Brase
                  Proprietor
                  M.B. Young and Co.
                  One of THEM!
                  Member Company of Military Historians

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                  • #10
                    Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

                    I think one thing we could do is to be able to search selected forums. I get tired of having buy/sell/trade threads pop up again and again when I want to research certain things. As a forum, I think we need to delete old buy/sell/trade threads.
                    Jason David

                    Peter Pelican
                    36th Illinois Co. "B"
                    Prodigal Sons Mess
                    Old Northwest Vols.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

                      Jason, Old sales get placed into a mod only folder...most of the time..... Sometimes we don't catch the "everything is sold!" portion of B/S/T threads, especially if they sit open for a long time. Users can always send a "report post" to the Mod team, and we'll close it.

                      Thanks for the feedback guys!
                      Herb Coats
                      Armory Guards &
                      WIG

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                      • #12
                        Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

                        Jason
                        You can actually go to advanced search options and change to single content type and select the folder(s) you want to search. You can avoid the buy/sell/trade posts that way. Or at least you used to be able to. Hope this helps.
                        Luke Gilly
                        Breckinridge Greys
                        Lodge 661 F&AM


                        "May the grass grow long on the road to hell." --an Irish toast

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                        • #13
                          Re: Facebook, Facebook, Facebook

                          I'm a longtime lurker, and a newbie compared to the many seasoned persons on this site, but as social media is near and dear to my heart I thought I could lend a few thoughts to the conversation. Mind you, this reply is not directed at anyone. These are merely my few thoughts on the subject.

                          As someone who is actively involved in the use of social media for branding (beyond posting what I ate for dinner), I would like to say that I believe that Mr. Tipton is on the right track. As others have pointed out, Facebook can definitely be a mess. It has many downsides, and I believe that keeping the majority of the content contained here, within the forum is certainly the best course of action. However, to deny Facebook's use as a powerful tool for getting the word out, drawing in new members, etc. is to perform a disservice to us all. Whether you like Facebook or hate it, it is how a large portion of our younger folks are communicating these days. If we want to continue to get people involved, especially the next generation, we need to be able to meet them on their level.

                          The best way to stay relevant is not to abandon the tried and true in favor of the new and cutting edge, but to find ways to successfully meld the two.

                          Respectfully,
                          Thomas T. "Tommy" Warshaw III

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