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  • #61
    Re: The biggest roadblock to authenticity...

    Originally posted by HOG-EYE MAN

    I don't care if you're sleeping under the stars, eating salt pork, and doing first person. If you don't have the correct uniform/gear then you're a farb or pretty darn close. Anybody can have the correct mindset or attitude. Having a great mindset or attitude plays a very big role don't get me wrong. But, if you don't have that "look" then nothing else really matters.
    Ive had plenty of Firper expirences blown by guys in A1 kits with really lousy attiudes.
    You can have the best kit in the world, but if you do not have the right mindset you are a farb in jeancloth clothing.
    Robert Johnson

    "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



    In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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    • #62
      Re: The biggest roadblock to authenticity...

      Originally posted by hireddutchcutthroat
      Ive had plenty of Firper expirences blown by guys in A1 kits with really lousy attiudes.
      You can have the best kit in the world, but if you do not have the right mindset you are a farb in jeancloth clothing.
      And on the flip side...I've had some of the best firper experiences with gals wearing mainstream clothing and modern hairdos. I attended a formal dinner this past Christmas sponsored by a mainstream (by some standards) unit. Not everyone was dressed to "our" standards but guess what?? Some of those clothing "farbs" pulled off the best firper scenarios I've seen in a long time. I found it easier than one would expect to ignore the cabbage rose dress and bangs and focus on the fact there was some really good period conversation going on. Sometimes folks get too hung up on the gear and in the meantime, ruin their own magic moments...
      [COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][FONT=Book Antiqua]Candace Rose
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      • #63
        Re: The biggest roadblock to authenticity...

        Another issue that I myself have encountered in some is the unwillingness to accept the fact that one must be in the hobby for years to be a progressive. I know people that have been in the hobby for a year that are more progressive than those that have been in LH for 10 years or more. It is attitude and willingness to learn and accept the fact that we don't know everything there is to know about the era that are the earmarks of a true progressive. I, personally will never stop in my pursuit of what is the most period correct form of clothing, firper etc. I admit that I am a newbie to the EBUFU side of the hobby, but I am so eager to learn and take part. I am learning as are we all.
        Last edited by Miche_Todd; 02-06-2004, 07:10 PM.
        ~Miche' Todd
        ASGAS

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        • #64
          Re: Getting Restarted

          I highly recommend Jarnagin. I have purchased many of his items, via a fellow reenactor, and like the quality of his work.

          Jim, as Aaron says below, several vendors have surpassed Jarnagin's quality in uniforms and accountrements.

          Jim Pribula
          Last edited by dusty27; 02-07-2004, 11:13 AM.
          Jim Pribula

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          • #65
            Re: Getting Restarted

            I highly recommend Jarnagin. I have purchased many of his items, via a fellow reenactor, and like the quality of his work.
            Jim,
            You're kidding us right? What items appealed to you? Please don't say uniforms.....

            Isaac,

            This hobby has taken leaps and bounds since 1984. Jarnagin is no longer the "go to man" like he was back in the early 80's. (I've been in this hobby since the early 80's)

            Gregory Randazzo has provided you with a list of authentic vendors which you should use if you want to do things the right way. This forum also has a "buy, sell and trade" section where you can pick up used authentic uniforms/gear at a cheaper price.

            Welcome back, and good luck Isaac,

            Hog-eye man
            Last edited by HOG.EYE.MAN; 02-07-2004, 08:54 AM.
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            Aaron Schwieterman
            Cincinnati

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            • #66
              Re: Getting Restarted

              Issac,

              In addition to the other quality vendors listed previously, you may want to check out the uniforms made by Dan Wambaugh. His stuff is of excellent quality.
              His business is named W, W, and Company, but he is currently having problems with his web service provider. He has a temporary site at: http://danwambaugh.tripod.com/
              Chad Fuller
              Randolph Mess, Co. B 2nd U.S.S.S.

              "If you don't like my style, you can pick it up!"
              --Sgt. Wyman White. Co. F (N.H.) 2nd U.S.S.S.

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              • #67
                Re: Getting Restarted

                Issac:

                Patrick Hilt, Gary Randazzo et all have the right of it. Jarnigan, etc. were state of the art some years ago...but things have evolved. So the vendors Patrick and Gary list are the ones I suggest do business with.

                Researched their stuff carefully using other resources and have done business with most of them. Other than Missouri Boot and Shoe being too slow for me to stick with, been entirely satisfied.

                It is (for understandable reasons) sometimes tough to convince some of the vets who have done business with other, earlier cutting-edge companies and inedividuals to understand that the state of the art is evolving steadily over time. And it is something to keep in mind ourselves.

                Welcome back, Pard. Hope to meet you down the, long, dusty road.

                -Best
                John Newland

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                • #68
                  Tailoring Impressions

                  How many of us tailor our impressions to specific events? Is this something we should strive for? Or should we stick with a generic impression? I am not talking about Zauves...but other specific units for specific engagements....thoughts?

                  Thanks,

                  Paul B. Boulden Jr.

                  RAH VA MIL '04

                  Hallo Herr Paul! Thank you for your question. It is the nature of the "more authentic" and EBUFU functions to portray different units at different "battles." Although not for everyone, for many, it is the "state of the art" for CW living history. Ideally, the more "generic" one can be in their impression(s), the easier it is to particpate in these events without having a closet or three full of clothing and gear for "early, mid, and late War.. East and West, etc, etc" impressions. I believe your question would be better suited for other fora, where members are just progressing to the more "authentic" side of things, and are thinking about taking the next "evolutionary or personal developmental step," rather than on the AC Forum where such concepts are perhaps "part and parcel," if not a standard. Curt-Heinrich Schmidt, Moderator
                  Last edited by Curt Schmidt; 02-20-2004, 03:48 PM.
                  Paul B. Boulden Jr.


                  RAH VA MIL '04
                  (Loblolly Mess)
                  [URL="http://23rdva.netfirms.com/welcome.htm"]23rd VA Vol. Regt.[/URL]
                  [URL="http://www.virginiaregiment.org/The_Virginia_Regiment/Home.html"]Waggoner's Company of the Virginia Regiment [/URL]

                  [URL="http://www.military-historians.org/"]Company of Military Historians[/URL]
                  [URL="http://www.moc.org/site/PageServer"]Museum of the Confederacy[/URL]
                  [URL="http://www.historicsandusky.org/index.html"]Historic Sandusky [/URL]

                  Inscription Capt. Archibold Willet headstone:

                  "A span is all that we can boast, An inch or two of time, Man is but vanity and dust, In all his flower and prime."

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                  • #69
                    Re: Tailoring Impressions

                    Ok, start by getting a very good generic impression. Once you have gotten it to a high level of accuracy, then start to tailor it to specific events, ie, early, late war, fresh issue, very ragged look etc. Now let me state this here, do not artificially age your stuff, wear it as your generic impression until it get worns then replace it with new stuff, and you have solved that part of "tailoring" Early and late stuff you can choose, but keep it documented.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Tailoring Impressions

                      Yes! Or I will not attend the event. The impressions that I am comfortable to attend EFUBU events with are as generic as I feel possible.
                      Robert Johnson

                      "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



                      In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Tailoring Impressions

                        Paul

                        I recomend finding an impression that you enjoy (Say trans Miss Fed or what ever) and doing it to the best you can do it, and then go from there.
                        Robert Johnson

                        "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



                        In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Tailoring Impressions

                          Ooops.

                          Looks like I brought up a similar issue on another thread.

                          Michael Nevin

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                          • #73
                            Re: Tailoring Impressions

                            What's "EFUBU"?

                            Michael Nevin

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                            • #74
                              Re: Tailoring Impressions

                              "EBUFU" is an abbreviation of the term "Events By Us, For Us" It was developed by campaign oriented persons as a way to seperate campaign oriented events with higher authenticity standards from more mainstream events.
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Justin Runyon[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]; Pumpkin Patch Mess: [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]WIG-GHTI[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Organization of American Historians[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Company of Military Historians[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]CWPT, W.M., Terre Haute #19[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] F&AM[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Terre Haute Chapter 11 RAM[/FONT]

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                              • #75
                                Re: The biggest roadblock to authenticity...

                                I think the biggest roadblock to authenticity is simply the ever proggresing
                                amount of resources. Half the time, when you get a jacket, new evidence
                                will spot flaws. Simply most of our wallets cannot account for the always
                                changing discoveries. All we can do is to go with the flow, and try to correct
                                the flaws as quickly as we can when they appear. Also, some people are not
                                willing to look for flaws, keeping them behind the times. There in lies the problem- the uncommitted. Anyone who is committed is a progressive, nothing less.

                                Ian Broadhead
                                Ian Broadhead
                                Liberty Rifles
                                " Lee's Miserables"

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