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    Folks:

    I have been watching some discussions and have listened to others in the recent past and wonder aloud if it isn't time to change the way we do the cover.

    We have been voting on the cover images for going on three years now and I think overall, it has been a good exercise for all of us to see good impressions (and some not as good) put up for consideration/discussion every month.

    The aspect that I liked about the contest when I suggested it to Paul a few years back was the idea that a discussion about impressions would develop based on what people saw objectively in the represented photos. Unfortunately, at times, this became personal and the discussions generally vanished and when we tried to revive them, the voting itself continued to take precedent over the discussion.

    With that being said, I want to suggest a change for the monthly contest. This isn't my idea. It has been suggested by several individuals at different times and I welcome them to respond to this post in support/dissent of my proposal. Frankly, I think it is time for a change with the way that we do it and it doesn't mean that we couldn't change it again in the future if other ideas come along as well.

    I suggest that we continue to have a monthly vote. We still collect ten images every month around the same time. The change would be to vote on our favorite real (original) image from the war. There would be no need to whittle down the ten to a final three, etc. This would simply be based on which image makes an impression on the membership here and carries the day. I think that it would generate a ton of discussion and we don't have to worry about whether or not good/bad/terrrible impressions make the cover, just whether we like them and why. Images of ancestors would also be welcome.

    I am putting a poll question attached to this post. Please feel free to contribute your thoughts. What do you think?

    This poll closes in eight days.
    138
    Keep it Like it is Now - Vote on Reenactor Images.
    55.80%
    77
    Use Original Images & Retain the Vote
    34.78%
    48
    Use Original Images and Some Other Method of Selection.
    3.62%
    5
    Other - Reply Below
    5.80%
    8

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Eric Tipton; 06-30-2007, 11:05 AM.
    ERIC TIPTON
    Former AC Owner

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    Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

    Oh, and one last thought, before I get too sleepy tonight... I think the catch should be that if an image is submitted, it must have a source and some form of documentation. Just a thought...
    Last edited by Eric Tipton; 06-29-2007, 11:49 PM.
    ERIC TIPTON
    Former AC Owner

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    • #3
      Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

      I like the idea of having original photos for the cover. Although, I did enjoy seeing other members impressions. I can't say which one I like better but I think original photos would be an interesting change. Just my two cents.
      Morgan B. Tittle

      The Drunken Lullaby Mess

      "... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
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        Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

        Originally posted by Eric Tipton View Post
        Oh, and one last thought, before I get too sleepy tonight... I think the catch should be that if an image is submitted, it must have a source and some form of documentation. Just a thought...

        Eric, This is just a thought. What if an image, similar to the fantastic grouping of Federals that was just auctioned on Ebay shows up, but with no information as to who, what, when, where? It would be a shame to see an image, be it a single figure or grouping turned down due to lack of information. Just a thought.~Gary
        Gary Dombrowski
        [url]http://garyhistart.blogspot.com/[/url]

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        • #5
          Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

          Originally posted by garyjd View Post
          Eric, This is just a thought. What if an image, similar to the fantastic grouping of Federals that was just auctioned on Ebay shows up, but with no information as to who, what, when, where? It would be a shame to see an image, be it a single figure or grouping turned down due to lack of information. Just a thought.~Gary
          My humble opinion and no more than that:

          Fantastic images without provenance are always viewable in the "photos" forum. For the cover, however, I agree that provenance should be required. The cover is the first thing seen by anyone, general public included, and makes a statement as to what the forum is about. The unique status of the cover requires, I believe, special care as to authenticity. If none of the identifying questions mentioned by Gary (Who? What? When? Where?) can be answered, then I'd rather see it in the appropriate forum, and not on the cover.

          Respectfully yours,
          [I][/I]Die Gedanken sind frei
          John Thielmann[I][/I]

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          • #6
            Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

            Original images can be viewed in many, many sources. Images of reenactors whom are recreating those original soldiers however, are rarely as easily available to be shared.

            Using correctly made period style reenactor images is far more in keeping with the original purpose of these forums.

            I would prefer that we keep it as it is.
            Brian Hicks
            Widows' Sons Mess

            Known lately to associate with the WIG and the Armory Guards

            "He's a good enough fellow... but I fear he may be another Alcibiades."

            “Every man ever got a statue made of him was one kinda sumbitch or another. It ain’t about you. It’s about what THEY need.”CAPTAIN MALCOLM REYNOLDS

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            • #7
              Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

              We don't learn anything from reenactor images, and learning is what this place is all about. Additionally, the majority of the members on this board do not have routine access to a period photographer. A very small (teeny tiny) of us actually look like period soldiers and civilians. If you required the submission of a period photograph along side the reenactor photo every month, we would all quickly realize just how far from reality our impressions are on average.

              In about 1% of the submissions, it is tough to tell (this month is a good example), and we usually can all figure that out. And since we never honestly discuss what is wrong with any of them (too personal), except by voting, it is a useless exercise, unless the point is a popularity contest. We should encourage the use of reenactor images in the photo section, but for the cover, we need original images.

              This will jump start discussion on one of our greatest research tools. Its them we honor, and its them we learn from.

              It is particularly dangerous if new folks coming on the board somehow look upon these as the ideal impression - the only ideal impressions are the real deal. Let the real soldiers and civilians teach us.

              Lastly, I believe we should allow both known provenance and unknown original images in the vote. Lots of smart folks on here and you never know - one of us may figure it out on an image that is unknown. The fact that we are having to use the excellent photo resources will make us all better researchers as well.

              Of course knowing the devious pranksters that inhabit the board, I bet at least one image of a reenactor will be submitted every month, so maybe provenance should be required ;)
              Last edited by DougCooper; 06-30-2007, 07:03 AM.
              Soli Deo Gloria
              Doug Cooper

              "The past is never dead. It's not even past." William Faulkner

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              • #8
                Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

                Why not mix it up a bit. One month original photos, the next good reenactors impressions. Variety ;)
                [COLOR=Blue][SIZE=2][FONT=Book Antiqua]Ken Raia[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

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                • #9
                  Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

                  Originally posted by Ken View Post
                  Why not mix it up a bit. One month original photos, the next good reenactors impressions. Variety ;)
                  Ken's idea has merit, esp as a learning tool - you could even have two images every month, one of each. Call it "then and now."
                  Soli Deo Gloria
                  Doug Cooper

                  "The past is never dead. It's not even past." William Faulkner

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                  • #10
                    Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

                    Hello all....

                    Just my two cents, I like the idea of an original along side of a reenactor photo. The contrast between the two may help point out the finer details we all strive to get right.


                    Your ob't servant....
                    Sean Collicott
                    Your humble servant....
                    Sean Collicott
                    [URL="www.sallyportmess.itgo.com"]Sally Port Mess[/URL]
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                    • #11
                      Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

                      I agree with Brian. The purpose of this website is reenactor based. The reenactor pictures can be a learning tool for the new members. By the gleaning of the pictures each month the "newbie" learns some of what is more correct vs. incorrect.

                      Ken & Doug's suggestions do have merit though.

                      I still think it should stay as it is.

                      Crabby
                      Beth Crabb

                      IN LOVING MEMORY OF
                      John Crabb July 10, 1953 - Nov. 25, 2009

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                      • #12
                        Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

                        I think we should use original images because it would cut back on a lot of the votes that are based on "these are my friends and they look cool."
                        Just a thought.......
                        Andrew Turner
                        Co.D 27th NCT
                        Liberty Rifles

                        "Well, by God, I’ll take my men in and if they outflank me I’ll face my men about and cut my way out. Forward, men!” Gen. John R. Cooke at Bristoe Station,VA

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                        • #13
                          Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

                          I vote for either original images only, or original next to reenactor images for comparison.

                          To me, a cover consisting of only reenactor images only says "look how cool we look", or "we found a period photographer". I rarely if ever study a reenactors image to further along my own impression, only period photos. As someone said earlier in this thread, very few people 'look' the part, and it's true, despite everyone's best efforts, a recreated pose by a reenactor can usually be spotted fairly easily.

                          To be honest, I've never cared that much for any cover, because that's not the page I start looking at first. I start right at the boards to see what's up and navigate around from there if I wish to.
                          David Buckley

                          CWPT

                          "We have the wolf by the ears; and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other."

                          Thomas Jefferson

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                          • #14
                            Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

                            In terms of doing side-by-side images, that just isn't technically a good idea. Based on the format of the forum, and the column sizes of the front page, I make each cover exactly 350 pixels-wide. If we were using two photos instead of one, it would make each image too small to be significant. As it stands, it is already difficult to format with a landscape image as opposed to a portrait format. Note how I pulled two scenes from the landscape image on this month's cover because of the layout and size of the people in the photo. We need to stick with one image each month.

                            What if it is as simple as switching them up each month as has been suggested by Ken? As I mentioned in my original post, whatever we do doesn't need to be permanent. At times, change or variety can be a good thing.
                            Last edited by Eric Tipton; 06-30-2007, 11:17 AM.
                            ERIC TIPTON
                            Former AC Owner

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                            • #15
                              Re: Selecting the Monthly Cover...

                              Ahem, not to sound snooty here, but isn't this a living history reenactors website? If so, then what is the harm in showing the best of what living history has to offer, it's best looking reenactors? I can find plenty of original CW photos online or in books, but I cannot see how these original images are being used in our modern hobby without seeing the living historian in interpretation.

                              Please keep it as it is, leave the front cover to the living historians.
                              Mfr,
                              Judith Peebles.
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