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Gang - does this style shirt/overshirt on this 49'er have a name?
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Re: 49'er photo - shirt/overshirt type?
Cool shirt. Is the collar a different fabric from the rest of the shirt and are the pants a wide-wale cord?
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It doesn't have a name, at least that I've been able to find, but the style is very common in Gold Rush images. Just check out Silver & Gold Cased Images of the California Gold Rush Pg. 3, 84, 86, 152, 155 and 177. It basically has a very large placket that overlaps the other side, kind of giving the appearance of your typical "fireman's shirt", but it's not a removable bib.
The collar of the shirt in the original image is of the same material as the rest of the shirt and the trousers are made from a plaid fabric.
I'm wearing one of these shirts I made a while back at a recent Gold Rush living history, the image inspired the "look" (those are original gilt buttons on those shirts):
Last edited by Ian McWherter; 12-20-2008, 04:28 PM.Ian McWherter
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If you've ever watched Carl Anderton play the banjo in his youtube videos and he is wearing an overshirt...it is one that I made for him based on that image. The man in question is a bull whacker, from what I can tell with the accoutrements in the image.
Below is an image of me wearing this same patterned overshirt a couple of years back showing off my hidden buckle belt.
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Very nice. I'd love to have a shirt like that. ~GaryGary Dombrowski
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I love this overshirt. As far as a name, don't we call it a "placket-front" overshirt?
P.S. Ian- I love how you get your hat to sort of "melt" over the side of your head. I've seen gold-rush images like that, and wish I could do that with my hat, but I can't.Last edited by Old Cremona; 12-21-2008, 09:10 AM.[FONT="Book Antiqua"]Carl Anderton[/FONT]
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I've always liked that shirt as well... actually the entire image is pretty damn cool! My questions are 1. were those shirts mass produced pieces as I've seen them in other images as Mr. McWherter said and 2. are the cuffs the earlier types that could be turned up as it looks to me they're folded up? very cool shirt either way and very impressive banjo playing Mr. Anderton, I understand that's not an easy instrument to play!
PS- would jean be to heavy for a shirt like this?Dios, libertad y Tejas,
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Re: 49'er photo - shirt/overshirt type?
I believe you meant "plastron", as very many shirts have plackets, which can range from 1/2 inch to much larger...I love this overshirt. As far as a name, don't we call it a "placket-front" overshirt?
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Re: 49'er photo - shirt/overshirt type?
Anything like this shirt on that steamboat (whose name I can't remember) that sank (on a western river I can't recall) in the 1850s and whose intact cargo was excavated in recent years? One suspects prior threads have referred to this trove of period items in other contexts.David FoxComment
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Arabia-1856-Sunk on Missouri...
There were over shirts, and most were simple wool, folding collar, variety.
There were a couple of weird ones on there, one of which can be seen on their website. But nothing that I can recall resembeling the shirt in question.Mitchell L Critel
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I have no doubt that these shirts were mass produced. W.M. Badger of No. 109 Battery Street, a merchant in San Francisco, advertised in 1856 of "having the largest stock ever offered in this market". Among the items he listed as having "on hand" were:Originally posted by MustangGray View Post
1,000 dozen super flannel overshirts
200 dozen fancy cassimere overshirts
1,000 dozen white shirts
650 dozen heavy hickory shirts
500 dozen heavy check shirts
300 dozen Merrimack shirts.
He also listed, in case anyone's interested, having:
2000 prs. Goodyear's rubber pants
1000 Goodyear's white rubber coats
200 cases Goodyear's long and short rubber boots
And who says goods were hard to come by in Gold Rush California?
Of course period cassimere and modern cassimere can be two very different fabrics in weight and quality, so be careful here. I personally would avoid using jean for an overshirt, especially an Antebellum overshirt, wool flannel was far more common and again there's period jean and modern jean.
It does appear that the cuffs in the original image may be turned up, but there are images of very similar shirts where the cuffs are not turned up.Ian McWherter
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Something is unusual about the collar. It appears as if it is folded in half, the short ends whipped/overcast. The short ends look unfinished and appears flatter than other collars.
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Gents,
Those 49er shirts are pretty cool, excellent job on reproducing them. I made one of the work shirts off the Steam Boat Arabia. I got lucky and found the maroon wool to make it. Maybe I'll give a 49re's shirt a try.
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Art,
Very nice. Did you work from a pattern or from notes about the original shirt?Troy Groves "AZReenactor"
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Troy,
I just went to the Arabia website and saw the pix of the shirt. Made a sketch of what I could see and went from there. Like I said, I got lucky on buying the fabric. Thank you for the complement.
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