Taverns

[Spinster]

Re: Taverns

Keep the discussion real, period and fact based. It'll stay. Otherwise, take the kewl impression ideas to that other national forum ...

:tounge_sm Now Silas, the last time somebody popped up THERE with the standard pics of such, we did a pretty through slice and dice on that idea, with the able help of the gal who wrote the book on prostitution during the War......


:kiss: The maid who sweeps up in Oz (built WITH the beginner in mind) and in a few other low places

[Silas]

Re: Taverns

I could have meant this other national forum : http://commonground.aceboard.com/ or maybe even this one : http://offtopicboys.yuku.com/

[Spinster]

Re: Taverns

I could have meant this other national forum : http://commonground.aceboard.com/ or maybe even this one : http://offtopicboys.yuku.com/

:wink_smil I left you a present in one of them.....

[bizzilizzit]

Re: Taverns

Hank,I just have an interests in period hedenism.Period prostitutes,drinking,ect.I actually want to do a period pimp impression (if I can).But I would like work on the impression,and when I graduate college and get set up,maybe portraying an impression as such.

I'm curious to find out what your idea of a period pimp is? Have you done any research? Would you work at a tavern, as originally suggested, or some other place of business?
Elizabeth Topping

[Hank Trent]

Re: Taverns

Here's a book that might be useful.

History of Prostitution, 1858.

The section on the US starts around page 450. Most of the keepers of houses of prostitution seem to be middle-age women but the section on German prostitutes mention males. Also check out p. 563 for Irishmen:

In some of these houses it is the rule that all the money received by the girls is to be given to the landlord, who provides them with clothing and necessaries, but in others a fixed rate of board--six or eight dollars a week--is paid, and the women retain the surplus. In either case it is a very profitable business, particularly where many girls are kept. In one house that we visited, in the fourth district [of New York City], the keeper informed us that his expenses amounted to about one hundred and fifty dollars weekly...

Go to p. 564, though, and we're back to middle-age females in the role.

But all that's moot, of course, unless some event is reenacting downtown in a large city. No idea how it worked in small towns or the country.

Hank Trent
hanktrent@gmail.com

[Jim of The SRR]

Re: Taverns

I am VERY interested in detailed accounts of how taverns were ran and looked DURING the war in the SOUTH. Why? Because it was illegal to produce distilled spirits in the South except under military contract. My understanding is that it was not a widely enforced law. But, how open would a public tavern operate while under these and other stressful conditions present in the South?

Jim Butler

[Emmanuel Dabney]

Re: Taverns

To this moderator it seems like this thread is about two different issues. One is regarding buildings involving the sex trade and the other regarding taverns where sex trading might have occurred but the principal business was selling food and beverages and overnight accommodations.

So I propose if we want to have a discussion about prostitution and the sex trade we create another thread. But to return to taverns where food, beverages, and overnight accommodations were the principal point...

Jim brings up an interesting idea in regard to taverns in the South during the war. One thing to keep in mind for the urban South (towns and cities) is the operation of hotels as the place for travelers. Taverns still existed but they were certainly not the marketed places for being better sorts.

"The summons against Lucy Timmons for selling ardent spirits without a tavern license, was heard and dismissed." See Richmond Daily Dispatch, May 4, 1863

"A number of persons were fined for keeping their restaurants open on Sunday, in violation of law, and for selling liquor without a tavern licence." Richmond Daily Dispatch, May 8, 1863