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    First solo event with each child...
    Daughter in 2013 and son in 2015 (ironically, same age at the time of the event).
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    Bentonville 150 was a great event for me, personally, experiencing the hobby through my son's eyes. As a parent, you have to make memories with your kids every chance you get!

    Since returning home, I have had a number of dads comment to me things like, "You know, Little Jimmy has asked to go to an event with me...". I thought it might be useful to start a thread to discuss issues around bringing kids to events.

    I am no expert on children's clothing of the 1860's and I'm not a child development expert. However, this has been my experience...
    My daughter asked first (she's older and would be happy to sit with me to watch paint dry). My son was soon asking, too. Finding good events was somewhat of a challenge. For my daughter, we found a great event near Knoxville and spent the day with Terre Lawson and company. Since then, I've taken both kids to a local mainstream event for the last couple years and last weekend, my son and I attended Bentonville with the 10th Iowa.

    Mainstream events are a mixed bag. If you can go with someone else "of a like mindset", it is better. You can create better "sphere of believability" than if you go on your own by incorporating things like camp cooking, etc. However, I have found that my kids are more interested in "feeling" like they have gone back in time is more important than seeing a "battle". At Bentonville, my son was bored during the battle and compared it to "watching golf on TV" (he cracks me up!). He was more interested in the march, toting a chicken, campfire time, and running messages around the battalion for the adjutant. In Knoxville, my daughter was included on activities like spinning, etc. She was so excited just to be there that she would have had a great time if she never "did" anything.

    Some of the challenges include:
    • Check yourself! If you are looking for a way to get some daycare for the kid while you go have fun - STOP! Leave the kids at home. Stop reading this post. You don't get it!
    • Good first experience! If they're bored, they'll check out quickly. Face facts... your kids will get bored if you spend two hours chatting buttonholes with your pard Si. Focus on the kids, give them your attention and be sure they have a good time.
    • Getting them dressed and keeping them that way. Once you find clothes, kids have a bad habit of growing.
    • Making sure the scenario is right - Kids have little/no place at military-only events like a picket post. Civilian events, larger events that support a civilian component, or larger military events that can have a role for a child in-camp may be more appropriate.
    • Checking yourself: It can be tough to break of engaging conversations with old pards to pay attention to your young one, so you have to be prepared to shift your focus for a weekend from "event and pards" to your kid.
    • Ground rules - I told my kids at their first event that my #1 rule was "Have fun". If we are doing something "boring", their job is to tell me because I want them to have fun. I want my kids to have only positive associations with the hobby. Their interest may fade as they get older, but I want nothing but fond memories of their times with Dad (aka me).


    So, from the other parents of reenacting children... how has it worked for you? What advice do you have?
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    Re: Involving the kids...

    Great post, Wick. To be sure, Nolan marched the ENTIRE way!

    I did all my best parenting before I had kids, so I will keep this to a few paragraphs.

    Wick makes great points; remember, however, that children grow up and older and need to be able to do so with incrementally less parental involvement. They have to want to be there with you. This may not always be the case and it can be frustrating to make the investment in having your kids come out with you to events and be dressed as well as they can be only to be told they don't want to go with you on a weekend. That will happen at some point. Let them stay home and don't hold it over them or them hostage to the hobby.

    They will be more likely to join you in the future if it is not something they dread doing and they feel that it is okay to miss an event. Once your son finds other pursuits, realizes the freedoms that come with adolescence and finds what he likes doing in the hobby, I think letting him pursue it is a good approach. It worked for me as my son started out as a drummer and this weekend carried a rifle.

    The memories will be what they are due to what happens at the event you go to together, not what you wish was at the one that you didn't.

    I look forward to serving with the Wickett's in the future.

    Off my stump!
    Ivan Ingraham
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      My brother is 12 years old and I can't wait for him to get active in the hobby. His main interest is fighting in the battles, but he is still too young to tote a rifle on the field. I've been taking him to local mainstream events and want to get him used to the camping life. I am glad, that when he is old enough and ready to take the field, I can help him start off on the right track with the right uniforms and equipment. He's already talking about impressions he would like to do. I've already corrupted his mind with history, as he has already pieced together impressions in his backyard battles, portraying a British solider of the Rev War, a British infantryman of Wellington's Army, a member of Napoleon's legions, and even a panzer grenadier. No other kid in the neighborhood does that! I catch him sketching historical battles, as well as creating scenarios with his legos or model soldiers! He has a big future in store!
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        Re: Involving the kids...

        This is all great information! I would imagine that sometime in the relatively near future Katie and I will be seeking advice on bringing kids to events.
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          I began bringing my daughter out with me when she was around three. Mostly living histories then when she was old enough to handle "outdoor facilities", lol she came out for whole weekends. There was always a gaggle of kids to play with and she couldn't wait to go and always had a great time. Now she's 26 with kids of her own and I can't get to an event without them! :D It takes a lot of sewing, trolling thrift stores, and scanning Ebay to keep everyone dressed. Click image for larger version

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            I took my nephew to a number of events during his teen years (14 - 18, or so). He's grown now, works, and no longer has time/money for the hobby.
            That's OK. We had a few events together, drives to Gettysburg. Those are memories that will last a lifetime… which is the point.

            I got up at 4:30 every morning for a couple months to sew his uniform. I bought his brogans. All worth it!
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              John,
              It was great to see you with you son at the event. My kids are a bit younger and are showing interest. Finding a way to integrate them does seem to be the difficulty. I thought it especially fitting to have a child on the Carolina campaign considering that there were at least four or five documented examples of officers adopting abandoned children on the march and bringing them home to raise as their own. Your son was a trooper, I am sure all of us parents were impressed with both him, and your devotion to your son.
              Scott Sheets
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                Scott,

                Thank you for your kind words! This was event #4 for my son, but his first with the military. I owe much thanks to Ivan for letting me bring him. I figured that maybe I'd stay in camp and cook or something, but Ivan suggested batt'n Lt. Col. It turned out well. Some events a wing commander has a lot to do in the field, other times not so much. This weekend was the latter, which worked out perfectly for me.

                So, for military, I would recommend NOT being an enlisted man in the ranks. Look for some other function, whether a "strap hangar" like me, or working in commissary, hospital steward, or with the wagons. If you have to fall in for every "this 'n that", you won't be able to spend time with your kids, which defeats the purpose.

                One thing that may seem simple or even silly is to sing to your kids. It is a great way to introduce period songs so that they know them when they come with you to events. I've been singing Camptown Races, Boatmans Dance, Old King Crow, and a bunch of other songs to my kids since they were in diapers. I can't tell you how many times over the weekend either (1) Nolan and I started singing and others started joining in, or (2) he heard a song being sung (sang?) and knew it. Each situation was exciting and made him feel like he was part of the group.
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                  Re: Involving the kids...

                  Originally posted by LibertyHallVols View Post
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                  So, for military, I would recommend NOT being an enlisted man in the ranks. Look for some other function, whether a "strap hangar" like me, or working in commissary, hospital steward, or with the wagons. If you have to fall in for every "this 'n that", you won't be able to spend time with your kids, which defeats the purpose.

                  .
                  John, I'd like to emphasize what you've said---you've done the responsible thing here. ( And I enjoyed having your daughter immensely--I've gotten to spin very little in the past few years, and teaching her was a great pleasure)

                  One of the more bizarre challenges I dealt with as the 'Civilian Governor' for the Blue Gray Alliance occurred during the 150th Gettysburg. That 'tent town' surrounded by the battlefields had specific entrance requirements and safety briefings--primarily because infantry and cavalry troops would move through the Town, and cannon would be in close proximity. Once a particular battle commenced, no civilian could enter or leave the Town area until it was over.

                  We were appalled to find that, during one battle of several hours duration, about 10 elementary aged boys had been dumped on us, with absolutely no parental supervision. These were reenactor children. When quizzed as to where their parents were "out there" was the response---both mom and dad out playing soldier. Uh.......NO. And certainly not for 4 hours with no food or water unless we took care of them.

                  Organizationally, I've laid the responsibility for that problem right where it came from--back in the laps of unit commanders who should be aware of who is living on their company street, while giving fair warning that the next time I'm confronted with the responsibility for unsupervised children in a similar situation, I'm calling event security or the local police.


                  In dressing children, please be aware of children's clothing standards of the period. Boys old enough to be breeched are pretty easy--they are mini-me for you fella's except not in a uniform, but in civilian cut clothing. Girls are harder--realize that they are not mini adult women--their clothes are cut differently, their skirts are shorter, their dresses button in the back (a social signal during the period--if she is in a back button dress, she is too young for anyone to be cutting their eyes at her. ) In both cases, they will get cold more quickly and easily than a grown man will, and require more blanketing and shelter. A parent will have to work harder to keep them warm and dry, and may have to leave an event. Remember--if the wool coat feels good to you, then they need one too.

                  We normally have a lot of children participating when we choose an event. Its a great pleasure to have them, and they've formed a cohesive community all their own.
                  Terre Hood Biederman
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                    Re: Involving the kids...

                    Originally posted by Spinster View Post
                    Girls are harder--realize that they are not mini adult women--their clothes are cut differently, their skirts are shorter, their dresses button in the back (a social signal during the period--if she is in a back button dress, she is too young for anyone to be cutting their eyes at her. )
                    On a positive note:
                    I have found girls' clothing to be easily expandable with growth. My gal can still wear the dress in the pic, above, but I have taken it apart to add a wider waistband, longer sleeves, and have let out some of the tucks. It only took a couple hours to do.

                    Re: Social Signals...
                    She will be a back button gal til she's 30! ;-)
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                      Originally posted by Ambrose Bierce View Post
                      Wick makes great points; remember, however, that children grow up and older and need to be able to do so with incrementally less parental involvement. They have to want to be there with you. This may not always be the case and it can be frustrating to make the investment in having your kids come out with you to events and be dressed as well as they can be only to be told they don't want to go with you on a weekend. That will happen at some point. Let them stay home and don't hold it over them or them hostage to the hobby.
                      Thank you for posting this! I've been way out of the field due to young children and those obligations/joys, immersed with the comparatively less time-consuming SUVCW/SVR.

                      I completely agree with the idea that it's wrong and counterproductive to take an unwilling child hostage. I'm eternally grateful to my wife for being up front with me right from the start with her absolute disinterest in following me into the field. I's love it if she wanted to come along, but I would feel awful if her presence was due to some kind of perceived obligation on her part. As with her, the same goes for my daughters (aged 7,5,4,&2).

                      The oldest two took some interest in a local historical farm's living history day and I took it as a sign that we could maybe ease into a day trip to a reenactment this year. I want to get it right and not turn them off, so the last piece of advice (Have fun!) was a great point. They are my ticket back to reenacting after a largely 7 year absence, so I'm deeply interested in doing my utmost to present this hobby as something fun and engaging for reasons both selfish and in the interest of my children's education.

                      The challenge before me now is to figure out clothing...I haven't exactly made a study of female fashions of the 1860's, but it's one foot in front of the other.
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                        Re: Involving the kids...

                        Originally posted by mtvernon View Post
                        The challenge before me now is to figure out clothing...I haven't exactly made a study of female fashions of the 1860's, but it's one foot in front of the other.
                        Joe,

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                          To brush up on what clothing pieces a girl will need, visit Mrs. Clark's fine site in Auntie Maude's Curious Compendium of mid 19th Century Knowledge: http://www.thesewingacademy.com/wp-c.../2010Girls.pdf


                          And for patterns: http://www.thesewingacademy.com/shop/
                          SA-200 Girls' Linens, SA-250 Girls' Dresses will cover all four of your girls.

                          The Compendium also includes free patterns and many, MANY helpful articles on family participation.
                          -Elaine "Ivy Wolf" Kessinger

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                            I've been struggling with this. My 11 yoa daughter wants to attend events with me. She has a good impression. I made most of it for her. We have been day tripping at Living History events at Bentonville since last year. I really wanted to bring her to the event last weekend but I was campaigning with Starr's Battery. I think I will wind up going to more mainstream events that my unit doesn't attend so she can go with me. But, kind of defeats the purpose of teaching her high standards. We will continue to do local LH events. I am also working on good civilian kit so we can attend other good events.Click image for larger version

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                              I still can't believe I've had my, now 3 and half year old, son AND wife out to events with me, I think 3 total. My wife isn't much for history nor reenacting, but likes the family-time we have during events which please me to no end! However, we've only done civilian events, never having to worry much about me getting lost in the military world while attending to the boy at the same time.

                              My son loves the outdoors just as my wife and I do, which I think helped get him into a dress. He's had a ball running around with the other kids and even just walking around with mom and/or dad. We lucked out with the events we chose as well. Hopewell provided another love of his, animals, along with a visit from Grammy and Popop who live just over the hill.

                              I did want to make sure he'd be comfy beyond just the clothing, making him several period toys; the train was a big hit which he plays with around the house even. A stuffed cow is in the works.

                              I'm curious what his mindset will be towards reenacting as he gets older. I surely don't feel I'm forcing it on him or my wife for that matter!

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